National League Rookie of the Year (merged with SmartBall's tulo thread and craigharmann's "Braun and Yo for ROY?" thread)

[Katuluu]

Yeah, that's my bad. When you mentioned that the defensive stats were back up I started thinking it was just a defensive stat. I need to pay better attention.

 

That all being said, isn't WARP similar to VORP in that it is somewhat dependent on AB's?

[craigharmann]

I realized last night, that Yo now has 9 wins. What about Braun and Yo being co-ROY? If we didn't have Braun up this year, wouldn't Yo be a shoo-in for ROY? This is what has me giddy as a Brewer fan, is that we have the best rookie slugger this year and the best rookie pitcher. And what a rookie pitcher he is! The confidence and the intestinal fortitude he's got is amazing. I think Yo is my new man crush.

[1992casey]

If we didn't have Braun up this year, wouldn't Yo be a shoo-in for ROY?

Well, there's always the Tulowitzki factor. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif And given that Yo was a later callup, I think you'd find Pence back in the heart of the race.

 

It'd be a close call, but if there were no Braun, I think I'd end up voting:

1. Tulowitzki
2. Gallardo
3. Pence

[craigharmann]

True, but what other rookie pitcher in the NL has had as good of a year as Yo?

[endaround]

Rookie NL pitchers leading Gallardo in VORP:

Peter Moylan

Manuel Corpas

Tim Linecum

Lee Gardner

[Brian the Automator]

Gallardo's ranked 5th in VORP for rookie pitchers in the NL. I think he'd be far from a shoo-in.

 

edit: endaround beat me by a minute.

[1992casey]

I may have to rethink my ballot. I wouldn't want to get caught without doing my homework like a lot of the writers seem to do.

[RU Rah Rah]

I was wondering last night whether Yo has been more valuable than Sheets this year. From a purely statistical standpoint, I'd probably have to say "no" (Sheets just has too many IP), but Yo really has been ace-like down the stretch here.

[craigharmann]

I forgot about Lincecum. The other 3 I haven't heard of at all.

[Fatter than Joey]

Gallardo's ranked 5th in VORP for rookie pitchers in the NL. I think he'd be far from a shoo-in.

 

Yep. My guess is that if you looked at strictly pitchers the voting would go. I would be surprised if Gallardo gets more votes than Linecum.

 

1.) Linecum

2.) Gallardo

3.) Moylan.

 

If I had a ballot -- I would probably go something like

 

1.) Tulo

2.) Braun

3.) Pence

4.) Linecum

5.) Yo

[endaround]

If you take Tulo over Braun, you have to take Pence over Braun as well.

 

Tulo's WARP 7.4

Pence's WARP 4.6

Braun's WARP 3.9

[Fatter than Joey]

If you take Tulo over Braun, you have to take Pence over Braun as well.

 

No -- Tulo has a much higher WARP over Pence/Braun. Pence and Braun are in the same ballpark, -- I do think Braun and Pence are pretty close though, and it I could certainly understand putting Pence ahead of Braun, but right now I would give Braun the nod, especially considering he is helping the Brewers lead Ned Yost to the playoffs.