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It probably will never happen but never say never.....Many never thought there would never be a double OT shoot out in hockey taking the best guys off the bench to start it. I realize complexly different sport but same basic idea.

The log jam will be resolved pretty soon...trade is coming

I know a lot of similar discussions on the below subject have gone on but since the state of baseball finance has come up again 9and not much else to talk about right now) I thought i would throw this out there just for the heck of it.... I have never understood why the game of baseball in modern times has not gone to a basic standard pay for all players and then paid based on performance (actually in some ways it does but then it goes awry with to many long term contracts and complications). Example first year as a rookie $500,000 second year if a player makes the 25 man he goes to 1 million then a 1 million a year raise every year after until he reaches 4 million as a base pay for MLB. This is the same for all players no more arbitration or pay hearings . Now implement a performance schedule such as something like top tier you can make a additional 20 million if you hit 50 HR's stole 30 bases and hit over .310 then work the scale down accordingly. Same for pitchers such as a 20 game win season start it at the top what ever formula you want and move it down from there based on ERA and all the other pitching sabermetrics taken into consideration. I'm sure the mathematicians of the game could work things out pretty well if they really wanted to. Baseball is also one of the easier sports to pay on individual performance and stats. This now pays a player (yearly) as to what he is truly worth season to season. There would be less trades and more incentive for players to really give a 100% all the time with out distractions and contract negotiations that would be come obsolete under this system. Teams would no longer get stuck with long term contracts for older players that are regressing. Younger guys would now get paid for there true production and value. Older players would probably be given more consideration and opportunity if there was less risk and more up-side if he can still perform in the short term. A few negatives that would have to be over come, under this system there would also have to be a tighter revenue share between teams and the league If more players than expected hit higher achievements it could cost a lot more money and now a small market team could theoretically have a 250 million dollar pay roll over night for a winning season but isn't' that the point? If a team had such a payroll they probably went to the WS. This is where a revenue share program to compensate unexpected performance could work. I also believe teams could get insurance of some kind from unrealistic but possible outcome of say 5 guys hitting 50 or more HR's and stealing 30 bases on the same team and each owed 20 million for the year. I have no idea what finances could be actually worked out and my above examples where just that talking points only and for discussion but a system of some kind paying players based on performance could work. The only players it would hurt is the one's making ridiculous money on a long term contract that is getting paid huge money for past performance and now is playing poorly or just average and will probably have trouble getting traded as a result of these detrimental contracts (this years FA class as example that not many teams seem to want to pay for). Yah probably to radical of a idea to ever work and since the rest of the business world usually pays it's top tier Management bonuses based on performance why would we expect MLB to then do it? Long term contracts could still be given but a player under my example above that was in say his 7th year with a team and only making 5 million (still not bad) but obviously 4 million base and only 1 million over for performance tells you he did not have a very good year but a lot better and certainly more reasonable than to be paying him say 18 million under the current way players are getting paid for long term ridiculous money. I do not believe the sport can keep it's financial stability if it keeps going the way it is. There is better options for both management and players that will benefit the sport and it's fans. I use Ryan Braun as the poster child for this discussion. For the last 10 years he has been the face of the franchise and loved by the fans here in Milwaukee. He should be ending his career on a high note but regardless what he has given to the team the only discussion about him is how to trade him to get his salary off the books. This just seems sad to me. I know Braun is crying all the way to the bank but I would also have to believe he loves Milwaukee as well and probably does not like to see a town he has played in as a star and lived to like hearing the call for his head on the trade platter because of money. Under the above program Braun could still make his 20 million a year (and this year 2018) earning it and helping the Brewers to a WS where all are happy!

You need to check the stats. Sogard has the second best OBP on the team and why I would bat him at 9th. Only 3 other players have better OBP than Phillips (though I agree small sample) but you need to give him the chance to prove he deserves to be hitting 2nd. Arcia will be fine and I believe in improvement for him this year. This order maximizes performance, do not get distracted by power. Games are won by constantly moving runners. The order should never be heavy in any particular part of the line up especially when you have over all "fairly" good bats excluding the pitcher.

Awesome!

1. Arcia 2. Phillips 3. Shaw 4. Santana 5. Thames 6. Braun 7. Piña 8. Pitcher 9. Sogard Now it's balanced. It's not always about power and power slots in the batting order it should be about moving runners who can get on base and make sure the guy behind him can make contact. This order will do that and win games

Many do realize but "Maverick" is Brett's legal middle name it's not a nickname

Correct we are not the same person. Sorry for for using most of your list. I'm always tight on time and yes a little lazy too! I look for lists after several are posted and fine the one I can mostly agree with cut and paste and make the few changes I believe are relevant. The top 5 are obviously the most important to me. I could have switched a few others around in the lower end but did not seem very significant. Good job I like your list and agree with only the changes I made. I owe you one for saving me some time!

Out of curiosity what constitutes a "odd ball list? Seems like you can personally rank these lists anyway you want based on how has a player played overall since getting drafted compared to the others? How has a player played just this past-season? Who is your favorite players? Which player do you think will out perform all others in the next few season? Seems very subjective. I suggest you clarify the parameters of how you want posters to rank the propsects such as using percentages of different categories and come up with a realistic scale so everyone is on the same page. I see nothing odd ball on any list so far as it depends on what data the poster is using. A argument can be made for or against every list posted so far.

1. Brett Phillips 2. Corbin Burnes 3. Lewis Brinson 4. Keston Hiura 5. Brandon Woodruff 6. Cody Ponce 7. Freddy Peralta 8. Mauricio Dubon 9. Luis Ortiz 10 Monte Harrison 11.Lucas Erceg 12.Isan Diaz 13. Mario Feliciano 14.Tristan Lutz 15. Trent Clark 16. Corey Ray 17. Josh Pennington 18. Phil Bickford 19. Jake Gatewood 20. Caden Lemons 21. Troy Stokes Jr. 22. Marcos Diplan 23. Trey Supak 24. KJ Harrison 25. Jordan Yamamoto

I'm sure everyone has a different opinion on how to rate prospects I'm certainly no expert but I based my list especially 1-8 on actual production not what might happen two years from now. I also put a lot more weight on a AA or AAA guy that have performed already for several years than a 18 year old who has never made it to rookie ball yet but has a low draft pedigree, this means nothing until he does something let's talk about these guys in a couple more years.

1. Brett Phillips 2. Josh Hader 3. Lewis Brinson 4. Brandon Woodruff 5. Corbin Burnes 6. Luis Ortiz 7.Keston Hiura 8. Mauricio Dubon 9. Isan Diaz 10.Corey Ray 11. Freddy Peralta 12.Tristen Lutz 13.Lucas Erceg 14. Trent Clark 15. Monte Harrison 16. Jacob Gatewood 17. Kodi Medeiros 18. Phil bickford 19. Demi Orimoloye 20. Cody Ponce 21. KJ Harrison 22. Troy Stokes 23. Jacob Nottingham 24. Jorge Lopez 25. Marcus Diplan

You might be more correct than you think....

Give it a few hours....who knows!

No better choice......