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Except that with the loss of Knebel and the implosion of Jeffress the model broke for a long time. You need 3 RP who are sub 3 high leverage. MKE has that. It just took a long time to figure them out and due to short comings in the starting group they are still getting bounced around. Hader Houser Peralta are all between 1.5 and 2.5 in the pen. The rest of the 8 need to pitch right around 4.0. Claudio hasn't been a bust. He's been a filler piece. Guerra filler piece. The loss of Knebel and the flame out by Jeffress has caused a ripple effect and had the team throwing a number of pen arms that couldn't manage to stay close to 4.0 era. Because all the starters we threw at the wall flopped this year. No Miley Chacin gem. No Guerra or Suter even. They didn't want to block the young arms and when they young arms didn't work the emegency options behind them didn't hit the mark. It's sustainable. You can always stock up, hit some miss some and do it all over again the next year cheaply. Year to year its not consistent. We dealt with the high of highs in 2018 and the low of lows in 2019.

Do you really believe he forgot how to play defense? I certainly can't explain the dropoff this year, but it don't think he's destined for it to be a permanant issue. But while on the topic of poor comparisons, Yuni B.'s playoff success came as a 29 year old, and Arcia's was at 24. There's still reason to think Arcia can develop from that, where as Yuni was at his hypothetical peak, if he had that. As I said above, Escobar's dwar of 1.4 and 1.9 was strangely followed by a .6. Then a 1.5 by a .7. Ups and downs of baseball?

How is Arcia like either of those two? Escobar's defense is elite compared to Arcia. Segura always had a higher ceiling than Arcia and a change of scenery for Jean was probably the best for him given the loss of his child, they aren't comparable at all. Sure, Arcia 'might' improve as a hitter. The risk that he does and you gave up on him too early isn't anything to lose sleep over, while a team that has a contention window needs to upgrade any and every position it can to maximize the return on that window. Most defenders of Arcia point to that hot streak during the very end of the season and playoffs. Sure Yuni Betancourt put together a very good playoffs in 2011. That's doesn't mean he wasn't an absolute horrible player. Funny how the timing of a hot streak can negate a career of crapitude for some... Hasn't Arcia been and elite defender every year before this year? Escobar at 23 with MKE was a 1.4 Dwar. Had a 1.5 and a 1.9 with KC at 24 and 26. Arcia was a 1.3 at the age of 22. Arcia is only a .4 so far this year at 24. Escobar was a .6 at 25. Escobar had a 1.9 a 1.5 and a 1.4 and 5 years that average .6. They are different? Career .258/.293/.636 Career .246/.296/.663 Maybe you have recency bias on the defensive down year by Arcia? It's just a bad idea to give up on 24 year olds who have put up a .277/.324/.731 season with a 1.3 Dwar at the age of 22 in the majors.

So Arcia is bad, but going to be expensive in Arby? Moving on from him now would be fitting. We missed Escobar's best years. We missed Segura's best years. Why not miss Arcia's best years.

Well there's been a topic running around for a few months on the Major League board with the title "Arcia - Glove vs. Bat", which may be a few pages down now. The highlights from an analysis of his offense and defense: 1) During his time in MLB, Arcia is ranked as the WORST hitter. 2) Every defensive metric places Arcia around the 10th best SS in baseball out of less than 30 Full-time qualifiers. So he stinks with the bat and his defense is nowhere near elite. He's pretty much replacement level. What is to love about that? Is there something to love about having 2 replacement level SSs?

They are in on position to buy. They probably should have sold.

1st I can't read all the stuff you've sprayed all over the board. So to get it straight... So you'd send Ashby to the Reds for a Roark rental? That's the type of deal you wanted? A 4.25 run of the mill starter.

Yeah man I mean like they should have totally added Synder, Bum and Stroman. What were they thinking? Just go all in with a weak hand!

We all were expecting one decent starting pitcher, right? That didn't happen. This...all of this. As much as I wanted a "big" move, I would have been perfectly happy with a couple of Tanner Roark type acquisitions for the rotation. Instead they want to be taken seriously in a pennant race, when the only acquisition they make to their starting rotation is Jordan Lyles?? Really?? Sure, I get prices were high on the big fish, but it didn't cost Oakland much to get Roark. You couldn't have found two steady arms(at a lower cost) to put in the rotation now to at least give you a somewhat decent rotation until Woody gets back?? Yeah Chacin comes back...big deal, he's been AWFUL. Davies has been getting shelled..No, you realistically can't cover all of that, but if you go get two Tanner Roark types, you can at least likely "cover" up some of that. Which may be all that was necessary. To not come away with at least ONE reliable starter, if anyone says they are fine with that they are full of you know what.. You don't buy when you are under performing. That is what stupid teams do. That is what you want? MKE to do what stupid teams do? Enough already... no one was walking in the door and saving this season and making it a WS team. Why don't you get that. The price to add anything as big as you wanted would have obliterated the farm completely. That's not what smart teams do.

Allowing 4.69 runs per game has been the killer for this team. Lets remember last years team was Miley Chacin Anderson Guerra Suter Peralta Davies and Gio. That's not a list of world beaters. They simply did their job and didn't get rocked. Woodruff Davies Anderson are in place for next year Hader Peralta are locked into the pen. Claudio will be better. Houser will chime in somewhere in that. Remember the offense has improved by .3 runs per game. The pitching has been worse by a FULL RUN. The pitching staff has been a collection of gas cans. That's the issue they need to fix. They've fixed it before on a budget. Devin Williams, Rasmussen, Burnes, Faria, Black could play a part making this pen stronger next year. Avoiding the early season woes of Burnes and Peralta would help this team a lot. Davies 3.56, Woodruff 3.75, Anderson 3.89, Gio 3.48 Hader 2.29, Peralta in the pen 2.52, Houser in the pen 1.47 Albers Guerra and Claudio have put up another 145 IP at a 4.15 ERA and that's not all that damaging. Do you understand HOW BAD everyone else has to be to put up a 4.69 ERA with those numbers going on? 10 guys in the rotation doing plenty well enough and the team allows 4.69 runs a game!?!

Houston missed the playoffs the year after they started their ascent to the WS. Playoffs missed playoffs WS I have been pointing this out since early June. This team is based on stability depth in the pen and rotation. They whipped through 12 options this year and nothing stuck. That's very unlikely to happen again.

it's been reported that black will be optioned by the brewers. a player still needs to be removed from the 40-man, and it likely will be via designating a pitcher for assignment. if the brewers dfa a pitcher on the active roster, they're essentially playing with a 24-man roster tonight. if they dfa an optioned player, that player is off-limits to a minor league affiliate. aaron wilkerson is the scheduled starter tonight for the missions. trey supak and donnie hart are probably safe. jacob barnes or burch smith, probably not as safe. Wish Wilkerson was starting in Oakland tonight. Good luck Lyles.

So we dealt a SS who is in AAA at 24. He isn't producing at the same level as Perez, Spangenberg or Saladino. He projects as a cheap filler depth infielder. For that we got a good reliever and a lottery ticket arm who is on the verge of the majors while still being a lottery ticket. Team added 4 arms. 2 controlled and one of them that we actually can trust in the pen immediately. They gave up nothing that will make an impact. All 4 look like pen arms so Houser might be in the rotation to stay. The get is underwhelming but these aren't bad deals.

Diaz has had a phenomenal season in AAA so far. He deserves it. He's well on his way to being a top 100 again. At least Brinson is floundering. You don't want the team you traded with to go 4 for 4.

Funny but that's what I do when I get yelled at for saying something right and it proves itself right. You can find an example of that in the MiLB forum where I said pump the breaks on a prospect then got yelled at for being stupid.