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I ilke Parra and Gallardo too, but Gallardo will be coming off a year long injury and Parra still has trouble with command. I still think Parra is a #3, but that is quibbling. You are talking about a very young, inexperienced rotation to try and win the division with. EVen the young Tigers had Kenny RogerI like our core players too, but I think you have to take your chances now and deal the guy who may not have position (Gamel). I would keep LaPorta and Jeffress and deal Gamel. For those of you who have disagreed with me on this subjecdt I doubt I can change your minds so we'll have to agree to disagree....even if I am right http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif.

Gamel and LaPorta could turn out to both be ALL-STARS from the get-go, but no matter how good they are, if you don't have pitching, you will not win. Period.

Gamel and LaPorta could turn out to both be ALL-STARS from the get-go, but no matter how good they are, if you don't have pitching, you will not win. Period.

Gamel and LaPorta could turn out to both be ALL-STARS from the get-go, but no matter how good they are, if you don't have pitching, you will not win. Period.

The Braves have a tendency to pump their prospects more than anybody and then deal them away when they don't pan out. Granted, Salty is a good prospect and I think will be a good catcher, but he couldn't beat out Gerald Laird for starting job. harrison had a shoulder strain last year and his velocity is down to the mid-upper 80's. Andrus may be okay and Perez projects as a reliever, not a starter. Don't forget the Rangers also had to package a good lefty reliever in Mahay as well. Kind of sounds like the Capellan deal doesn't it? They pumped up Capellan as the next great thing and look what we got! Not only that, but the Braves did what I am advocating the Brewers do. They had a surplus of pitching prospects and they dealt the extra for what they needed. What other teams have pitching prospects to deal? Are they so bereft of 1B options taht they would deal the most valuable chips they have, pitching, for Fielder?

The Braves have a tendency to pump their prospects more than anybody and then deal them away when they don't pan out. Granted, Salty is a good prospect and I think will be a good catcher, but he couldn't beat out Gerald Laird for starting job. harrison had a shoulder strain last year and his velocity is down to the mid-upper 80's. Andrus may be okay and Perez projects as a reliever, not a starter. Don't forget the Rangers also had to package a good lefty reliever in Mahay as well. Kind of sounds like the Capellan deal doesn't it? They pumped up Capellan as the next great thing and look what we got! Not only that, but the Braves did what I am advocating the Brewers do. They had a surplus of pitching prospects and they dealt the extra for what they needed. What other teams have pitching prospects to deal? Are they so bereft of 1B options taht they would deal the most valuable chips they have, pitching, for Fielder?

The Braves have a tendency to pump their prospects more than anybody and then deal them away when they don't pan out. Granted, Salty is a good prospect and I think will be a good catcher, but he couldn't beat out Gerald Laird for starting job. harrison had a shoulder strain last year and his velocity is down to the mid-upper 80's. Andrus may be okay and Perez projects as a reliever, not a starter. Don't forget the Rangers also had to package a good lefty reliever in Mahay as well. Kind of sounds like the Capellan deal doesn't it? They pumped up Capellan as the next great thing and look what we got! Not only that, but the Braves did what I am advocating the Brewers do. They had a surplus of pitching prospects and they dealt the extra for what they needed. What other teams have pitching prospects to deal? Are they so bereft of 1B options taht they would deal the most valuable chips they have, pitching, for Fielder?

Piccione88 I am in very of building from within as you are, but at some point you have to pull the trigger. Part of the reason you accumulate as many prospects as you can is so that you can trade them as needed. The Brewers have plenty of young hitters and Gamel and LaPorta are truly top prospects, but the Brewers have very few pitching prospects close to the bigs. If you only develop hitters you wind up as the Texas Rangers. You have to have pitching to win and unless they go get somebody that can make a difference, and Wolf is not that guy, they won't get there. And don't forget, when Sabathia leaves they get a first rounder and a supplemental pick or two supplemental picks at the minimum to help rebuild.

Piccione88 I am in very of building from within as you are, but at some point you have to pull the trigger. Part of the reason you accumulate as many prospects as you can is so that you can trade them as needed. The Brewers have plenty of young hitters and Gamel and LaPorta are truly top prospects, but the Brewers have very few pitching prospects close to the bigs. If you only develop hitters you wind up as the Texas Rangers. You have to have pitching to win and unless they go get somebody that can make a difference, and Wolf is not that guy, they won't get there. And don't forget, when Sabathia leaves they get a first rounder and a supplemental pick or two supplemental picks at the minimum to help rebuild.

Piccione88 I am in very of building from within as you are, but at some point you have to pull the trigger. Part of the reason you accumulate as many prospects as you can is so that you can trade them as needed. The Brewers have plenty of young hitters and Gamel and LaPorta are truly top prospects, but the Brewers have very few pitching prospects close to the bigs. If you only develop hitters you wind up as the Texas Rangers. You have to have pitching to win and unless they go get somebody that can make a difference, and Wolf is not that guy, they won't get there. And don't forget, when Sabathia leaves they get a first rounder and a supplemental pick or two supplemental picks at the minimum to help rebuild.

Do you really think that the Brewers will have a playoff staff next year without Sheets? Harden is going to cost as much as Sabathia, for precisely the reasons you listed for obtaining him. His salary is only 7 mil and he is signed through next year. The staff will be good and I think Gallardo could be a very good #2 and Parra a very good pitcher as well, but does anyone on the staff or on the horizon equal a Ben Sheets? The Brewers need pitching to win and they will have to give up a prospect to get it. If you give up lower prospects to get the Randy Wolf's of the world you get exactly that, the Randy Wolf's of the world. How many titles do you really hope for with Wolf as your savior?

Do you really think that the Brewers will have a playoff staff next year without Sheets? Harden is going to cost as much as Sabathia, for precisely the reasons you listed for obtaining him. His salary is only 7 mil and he is signed through next year. The staff will be good and I think Gallardo could be a very good #2 and Parra a very good pitcher as well, but does anyone on the staff or on the horizon equal a Ben Sheets? The Brewers need pitching to win and they will have to give up a prospect to get it. If you give up lower prospects to get the Randy Wolf's of the world you get exactly that, the Randy Wolf's of the world. How many titles do you really hope for with Wolf as your savior?

Do you really think that the Brewers will have a playoff staff next year without Sheets? Harden is going to cost as much as Sabathia, for precisely the reasons you listed for obtaining him. His salary is only 7 mil and he is signed through next year. The staff will be good and I think Gallardo could be a very good #2 and Parra a very good pitcher as well, but does anyone on the staff or on the horizon equal a Ben Sheets? The Brewers need pitching to win and they will have to give up a prospect to get it. If you give up lower prospects to get the Randy Wolf's of the world you get exactly that, the Randy Wolf's of the world. How many titles do you really hope for with Wolf as your savior?

Look at the Brewers rotation and how it would project in 2009. It is very very unlikely that Sheets will re-sign. If he doesn't stay healthy the Brewers won't want to sign him long term and if he does stay healthy he will be pricing himse;f out of the Milwaukee market. Michael Hunt is right, the Brewers really can't go more than 4 years 60 mil (Maybe 4 years 68 mil is my opinion, especially when you consider the 9 you are already paying him and the 10 mil that comes off the books for Gagne next year and the 3.2 that comes off the year after that for Turnbow. That cover 15 mil per year for the first two years and an extra 2 mil a year the first two years out of pocket is not unreasonable. The problem is that Sheets will probably want 17 mil minimum and my guess would be 5 years and MIL cannot afford 5 years. Name the last 5-6 year FA contract in BASEBALL, not just MIL, that didn't result in the team having to pay a largely inferior pitcher millions the last 2-3 years. he might be great years 1-3, but years 4 and 5 will almost certainly be a lot of money for little performance. I don't say that because I think that Ben Sheets will wind up that way, I say that because, historically, almost EVERY pitcher winds up that way. The only exception I can think of is Greg Maddux, who signed a 5 year 57.5 million dollar deal with the Braves in 1997. The window of opportunity may be closing for Milwaukee due to the picthing. if they trade for Sabathia this might give them their best shot for a couple of years. It will take a lot, but I firmly believe you will only have to trade ONE of the top studs and add in other lesser prospects to get Sabathia. The Indians know that any team that hs the prospects to deal for Sabathia, doesn't have the resources to SIGN Sabathia. If the Brewers trade Mat Gamel (my choice, I know he's a stud, but where do you play him?) and a few B list prospects they would have Sabathia and Sheets and an improving Parra as their 1-3 starters. The upside to this would be that the Brewers system would be absolutely STACKED after the 2009 season. You would still have LaPorta and Jefferess, you will have had 6 of the top 60 picks from the 2008 drfat AND you will have 5 picks in the 1st round and 1st round supplemental. That's thirteen studs around the age of 20. they could conceivably have a better crop of prospects coming up than they did with Weeks, Fielder, Hart, Hardy and Braun. If you can do that without losing more than one of the A List prospects, I say go ahead and do it. Trading for Sabathia requires two things. The motivation and the prospects. Buster Olney wrote that the teams with the best prospects would be Rays Brewers Red Sox The teams with the motivation would be Brewers Cubs Dodgers Red Sox don't have the motivation, they like their rotation, same as the Rays. Cubs don't have the prospects and Dodgers barely do. I say go get Sabathia and take your shot. If you don't resign him, you won't be losing as much as you think.

Look at the Brewers rotation and how it would project in 2009. It is very very unlikely that Sheets will re-sign. If he doesn't stay healthy the Brewers won't want to sign him long term and if he does stay healthy he will be pricing himse;f out of the Milwaukee market. Michael Hunt is right, the Brewers really can't go more than 4 years 60 mil (Maybe 4 years 68 mil is my opinion, especially when you consider the 9 you are already paying him and the 10 mil that comes off the books for Gagne next year and the 3.2 that comes off the year after that for Turnbow. That cover 15 mil per year for the first two years and an extra 2 mil a year the first two years out of pocket is not unreasonable. The problem is that Sheets will probably want 17 mil minimum and my guess would be 5 years and MIL cannot afford 5 years. Name the last 5-6 year FA contract in BASEBALL, not just MIL, that didn't result in the team having to pay a largely inferior pitcher millions the last 2-3 years. he might be great years 1-3, but years 4 and 5 will almost certainly be a lot of money for little performance. I don't say that because I think that Ben Sheets will wind up that way, I say that because, historically, almost EVERY pitcher winds up that way. The only exception I can think of is Greg Maddux, who signed a 5 year 57.5 million dollar deal with the Braves in 1997. The window of opportunity may be closing for Milwaukee due to the picthing. if they trade for Sabathia this might give them their best shot for a couple of years. It will take a lot, but I firmly believe you will only have to trade ONE of the top studs and add in other lesser prospects to get Sabathia. The Indians know that any team that hs the prospects to deal for Sabathia, doesn't have the resources to SIGN Sabathia. If the Brewers trade Mat Gamel (my choice, I know he's a stud, but where do you play him?) and a few B list prospects they would have Sabathia and Sheets and an improving Parra as their 1-3 starters. The upside to this would be that the Brewers system would be absolutely STACKED after the 2009 season. You would still have LaPorta and Jefferess, you will have had 6 of the top 60 picks from the 2008 drfat AND you will have 5 picks in the 1st round and 1st round supplemental. That's thirteen studs around the age of 20. they could conceivably have a better crop of prospects coming up than they did with Weeks, Fielder, Hart, Hardy and Braun. If you can do that without losing more than one of the A List prospects, I say go ahead and do it. Trading for Sabathia requires two things. The motivation and the prospects. Buster Olney wrote that the teams with the best prospects would be Rays Brewers Red Sox The teams with the motivation would be Brewers Cubs Dodgers Red Sox don't have the motivation, they like their rotation, same as the Rays. Cubs don't have the prospects and Dodgers barely do. I say go get Sabathia and take your shot. If you don't resign him, you won't be losing as much as you think.

Look at the Brewers rotation and how it would project in 2009. It is very very unlikely that Sheets will re-sign. If he doesn't stay healthy the Brewers won't want to sign him long term and if he does stay healthy he will be pricing himse;f out of the Milwaukee market. Michael Hunt is right, the Brewers really can't go more than 4 years 60 mil (Maybe 4 years 68 mil is my opinion, especially when you consider the 9 you are already paying him and the 10 mil that comes off the books for Gagne next year and the 3.2 that comes off the year after that for Turnbow. That cover 15 mil per year for the first two years and an extra 2 mil a year the first two years out of pocket is not unreasonable. The problem is that Sheets will probably want 17 mil minimum and my guess would be 5 years and MIL cannot afford 5 years. Name the last 5-6 year FA contract in BASEBALL, not just MIL, that didn't result in the team having to pay a largely inferior pitcher millions the last 2-3 years. he might be great years 1-3, but years 4 and 5 will almost certainly be a lot of money for little performance. I don't say that because I think that Ben Sheets will wind up that way, I say that because, historically, almost EVERY pitcher winds up that way. The only exception I can think of is Greg Maddux, who signed a 5 year 57.5 million dollar deal with the Braves in 1997. The window of opportunity may be closing for Milwaukee due to the picthing. if they trade for Sabathia this might give them their best shot for a couple of years. It will take a lot, but I firmly believe you will only have to trade ONE of the top studs and add in other lesser prospects to get Sabathia. The Indians know that any team that hs the prospects to deal for Sabathia, doesn't have the resources to SIGN Sabathia. If the Brewers trade Mat Gamel (my choice, I know he's a stud, but where do you play him?) and a few B list prospects they would have Sabathia and Sheets and an improving Parra as their 1-3 starters. The upside to this would be that the Brewers system would be absolutely STACKED after the 2009 season. You would still have LaPorta and Jefferess, you will have had 6 of the top 60 picks from the 2008 drfat AND you will have 5 picks in the 1st round and 1st round supplemental. That's thirteen studs around the age of 20. they could conceivably have a better crop of prospects coming up than they did with Weeks, Fielder, Hart, Hardy and Braun. If you can do that without losing more than one of the A List prospects, I say go ahead and do it. Trading for Sabathia requires two things. The motivation and the prospects. Buster Olney wrote that the teams with the best prospects would be Rays Brewers Red Sox The teams with the motivation would be Brewers Cubs Dodgers Red Sox don't have the motivation, they like their rotation, same as the Rays. Cubs don't have the prospects and Dodgers barely do. I say go get Sabathia and take your shot. If you don't resign him, you won't be losing as much as you think.

He hasn't looked bad. Not smooth to be sure, but he's only made one error there and has made the other plays. his biggest struggle has been the quick turn to second to start a double play. But, I can only think of one instance where he didn't turn the DP. Arms pretty good, he's experienced enough to slow the game down at 3B (unlike Braun) and make throw accurately. He's still an emergency 3B but now the Brewers have a guy who can play LF, RF 1B(he is pretty good defensively at 1B, and adequate in RF and LF) and 3B in a pinch. He is also pretty locked in at the plate right now. It seems like everything is up[ the middle and if he pulls one, it gets out. In Memphis last weekend he homered twice, a game tying solo shot in the seventh and a grnadslam in the 12th inning. For that series he also drew 11 or 12 walks over 7 games.

Since the excitement about LaPorta centers around his offensive skills I would hesitate to have him learn a new position that could take away from that development and with the strain catching puts on a body, could limit his best years. Catchers are more likely to develop bad knees, hips and backs as well as busted fingers. Thos injuries could take away the best part of his game.

If you read Buster Olney's daily column you realize that it is really just a technologically updated Gammons notes columns. By the way, Olney began his career covering the Brewers AAA club, the Nashville Sounds! Of course they were a Yankees AA club back then I think.