Brewcrewin07

LOL No...Here's the thing guys..I look at the postseason and the Padres and Dodgers specifically and I ask myself do the Brewers legitimately have enough to compete with them in a 7 game series, without pretty much needing everything to go right. The answer to that is no. Yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved, and the Brewers aren't going to come close to the talent the Dodgers have, but what I would like to see is for them to try to eliminate the need for absolutely every single thing to have to go right. In order to do that they need more pieces. The bigger the better. You aren't going to completely eliminate the "luck" factor, but I do believe you can at least try to minimize it.

Believe me that annoys me to only being able to embed three quotes...how do you get around that?? I don't know how to do it.

I will tell you what a needle mover is...To me it's a player or players that you acquire, that almost EVERYONE in baseball or associated with baseball in anyway can clearly see by acquiring that player you made your team better for a pennant race, or into the postseason. They are a proven commodity, very consistent in what they do and will make an impact down the stretch...some examples of this...when the Brewers acquired CC Sabathia=HUGE needle mover...do they make the playoffs without him?? Absolutely NOT. When they acquired Zach Greinke=HUGE needle mover. When those two took the mound every night, you felt like you had a legitimate chance to win every night they pitched. You knew they were VERY unlikely to get shelled(it happens to everyone). Examples this year...Greinke to the Stros...that pretty much locks them in as the clear American league favorites to at least get to the World Series, and now with that rotation can go head to head with the Dodgers, easily. Shane Greene to the Braves...model of consistency, night in night out when he closes. he comes in, almost always he will finish it out...=Needle movers. What the Brewers did today are NOT needle moving moves...they can be I guess, but..you hope/wish/cross your fingers that it can. Not enough of an impact for it to be a CLEAR upgrade for anything. especially the rotation. so REALISTICALLY, what did you want the Brewers to do today? While I was initially disappointed in this trade (and I still don't necessarily love it), it has become crystal clear that the prices on pitching was astronomical and this was about the extent of what the Brewers could do with their system. Did you see what the Astros gave up for Greinke? And they are STILL having to pay him a significant amount of his contract. Short of dealing Hiura, the Brewers simply weren't going to be able to acquire that top end pitcher. Like I have said previously, I blame the click-baiting of Robert Murray that got all of our hopes up by saying Dubon was being traded in a "significant" deal. I think any one of us would assume a writer calling a "significant" deal for players of Pomeranz, Black and Dubon is the epitome of bad journalism. This one tweet alone got me emotionally twisted for this deal as I automatically assumed the deal would include actual significant pieces like Bumgarner or Smith, as well as actual significant pieces (Ray, Turang, Grisham, etc...) being included on the Brewers end. EXACTLY....that's what really set me off the rest of the day...to say "significant" and then for it to be this?? Bad, bad, bad, HORRIBLY bad journalism.

We all were expecting one decent starting pitcher, right? That didn't happen. This...all of this. As much as I wanted a "big" move, I would have been perfectly happy with a couple of Tanner Roark type acquisitions for the rotation. Instead they want to be taken seriously in a pennant race, when the only acquisition they make to their starting rotation is Jordan Lyles?? Really?? Sure, I get prices were high on the big fish, but it didn't cost Oakland much to get Roark. You couldn't have found two steady arms(at a lower cost) to put in the rotation now to at least give you a somewhat decent rotation until Woody gets back?? Yeah Chacin comes back...big deal, he's been AWFUL. Davies has been getting shelled..No, you realistically can't cover all of that, but if you go get two Tanner Roark types, you can at least likely "cover" up some of that. Which may be all that was necessary. To not come away with at least ONE reliable starter, if anyone says they are fine with that they are full of you know what.. You don't buy when you are under performing. That is what stupid teams do. That is what you want? MKE to do what stupid teams do? Enough already... no one was walking in the door and saving this season and making it a WS team. Why don't you get that. The price to add anything as big as you wanted would have obliterated the farm completely. That's not what smart teams do. Didn't I just say I would have been happy with a couple of Tanner Roark type upgrades for the rotation?? That would not have even come close to "oblterating" the farm. I really wanted two, would have been satisfied with one...instead we got none.

Right now, there rotation this weekend against the Cubs is Davies, Gio, Houser...is that supposed to be taken seriously?? That's what you are trotting out there for a series against your division rivals in the middle of a playoff chase?? Lovely..

so REALISTICALLY, what did you want the Brewers to do today? We all were expecting one decent starting pitcher, right? That didn't happen. This...all of this. As much as I wanted a "big" move, I would have been perfectly happy with a couple of Tanner Roark type acquisitions for the rotation. Instead they want to be taken seriously in a pennant race, when the only acquisition they make to their starting rotation is Jordan Lyles?? Really?? Sure, I get prices were high on the big fish, but it didn't cost Oakland much to get Roark. You couldn't have found two steady arms(at a lower cost) to put in the rotation now to at least give you a somewhat decent rotation until Woody gets back?? Yeah Chacin comes back...big deal, he's been AWFUL. Davies has been getting shelled..No, you realistically can't cover all of that, but if you go get two Tanner Roark types, you can at least likely "cover" up some of that. Which may be all that was necessary. To not come away with at least ONE reliable starter, if anyone says they are fine with that they are full of you know what..

I will tell you what a needle mover is...To me it's a player or players that you acquire, that almost EVERYONE in baseball or associated with baseball in anyway can clearly see by acquiring that player you made your team better for a pennant race, or into the postseason. They are a proven commodity, very consistent in what they do and will make an impact down the stretch...some examples of this...when the Brewers acquired CC Sabathia=HUGE needle mover...do they make the playoffs without him?? Absolutely NOT. When they acquired Zach Greinke=HUGE needle mover. When those two took the mound every night, you felt like you had a legitimate chance to win every night they pitched. You knew they were VERY unlikely to get shelled(it happens to everyone). Examples this year...Greinke to the Stros...that pretty much locks them in as the clear American league favorites to at least get to the World Series, and now with that rotation can go head to head with the Dodgers, easily. Shane Greene to the Braves...model of consistency, night in night out when he closes. he comes in, almost always he will finish it out...=Needle movers. What the Brewers did today are NOT needle moving moves...they can be I guess, but..you hope/wish/cross your fingers that it can. Not enough of an impact for it to be a CLEAR upgrade for anything. especially the rotation.

Probably not the best time to bash Houser starting coming off a terrific outing against a very good lineup. You are grasping at straws now. Take a deep breath and relax. 1 good start...1... how were his other ones earlier?? Note the difference between his bullpen/starter ERA. This is the same Adrian Houser that everyone here wanted moved back to the pen.

Okay fine...but you still couldn't have done ANY better than Jordan Lyles for nearly any cost?? Tanner Roark?? Anyone?? And now it looks like Houser moves into the rotation...that didn't go well the first time he was thrust into being a starter.

Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer The rotational piece you want means trading Hiura. There really isn't anything else in the system worth enough. I do not want to trade Hiura. Basically you are asking for something that isn't possible. I disagree 100%...No way any of those guys available should cost Hiura. Grisham?? Sure, totally fine with that plus other pieces. That's what I thought they would pull off, using him in a deal for one.

This...1000%. Don't use the term "significant" for a deal like this. "have an agreement" or anything resembling that is fine, but "significant" is reserved for players like Will Smith or Madison Baumgarner. Can't believe he said that.

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp! Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer

So I guess the rotation "upgrades" are Jordan Lyles and Adrian Houser...Damn what a rotation..Houser, Lyles, Gio, Davies, Chase! That'll strike fear into all of their opponents, for sure! Hang the banner now!

Shame on Robert Murray tweeting out they were in agreement on a SIGNIFICANT trade. That got everyone in a frenzy, and with that wording, rightly so.

Are you suggesting Tanner Roark was the solution? He really isn't very good either. No absolutely not, I just added that on to my post...but getting NO rotation help is an absolute Joke.

LOL Sorry, but this deadline for the Crew has been a joke..no rotation help. Tanner Roark just went to the A's.

Pomeranz and Ray Black...that's not significant...at all Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m Pomeranz and Ray Black to #Brewers for Dubon, source tells The Athletic. On it: @ByRobertMurray.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 55s Pomeranz goes from #SFGiants to #Brewers, source tells The Athletic.

Drew Pomeranz...really?? That's significant??

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 1m The Brewers significant trade does not involve MadBum I am told Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 29s Will Smith is not going to the Brewers in the reported trade agreement between Milwaukee and San Francisco, either.

Depends on who it's for..I'd prefer it be Bumgarner, but BP help would be okay too.