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No it didn't. They have modified the rules dozens of times to protect the fielders because the original rules were so bad. Sure in Ty Cobbs day you would just spike a guy but before his day you could just plow into him and destroy him and it was legal, that rule was changed along the way. Then the rule to spike a guy was changed. Then the guy to take out a guys leg was changed. Then the neighborhood play was added. These things have been changed over and over to make the rules make more sense. Player safety is way more important than how the game was meant to be played at this point, because the game is nothing like what it was when it was created. I don't mean a Ty Cobb spike with your legs up, I simply mean if the SS puts his leg in front of second base the runner will injure him with his cleats sliding into his leg. Thus, he does not put his leg there. If he is in possession of the ball, it would not be illegal. The catcher could do this because he has shin guards. However, since the runner can overrun home he does not need to slide in a controlled manner, he can go in like Chuck Cecil, and then the catcher responds by getting in a defensive position basically sitting on the plate. Then we get a little excitement a few times a year and Rickie Weeks steamrolls some schlub and it is great entertainment. -
It was legal because it was legal to block every base when baseball was created. In the early days of baseball it was completely legal for the second basemen to block the base and force you to destroy them to reach the bag. It was only illegal to purposely tackle a player to hold them back and avoid them reaching a base. Over time they have removed the ability to block every other base but home plate. This is just the rules of baseball finally catching up to this one poorly thought out rule. And that worked itself out because the players had cleats and the 2nd baseman did not have shin guards. So it became a non issue because of the players, always the preferable outcome. My point is that extra, complicated judgement based rules make things worse, not better. Now you are suggesting the umpire needs to make a judgement call about whether or not the throw took the catcher into the baseline or if he went for some other reason?
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Because you can't overrun 2nd and 3rd, need to slide in a more controlled way to hold the base.
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How about we just go back to the old less complicated way, if the catcher is in your way then knock him out of your way. If the catcher doesnt want to get knocked over dont stand on the plate or in the baseline Because catchers who wouldn't block the plate wouldn't keep their job and those that would block the plate just get hurt. The old way was ridiculous. It was not ridiculous and we can see why with a play like today's. Blocking the plate is clearly illegal in the rulebook, but why was it allowed over time? Because there are too many situations where it is too difficult to tell and especially without replay it was basically unenforceable. So a good decision was made to allow it to evolve so that the outcome was settled by the players on the field rather than the umpire making an impossible call. If you could not overrun home plate it would be much different, but you can so the runner has no incentive to slow down and they thus they don't. So there was a good reason, its not like all the umpires got together in 1905 and said hey, which of the rules should we agree to not enforce for no good reason? And just anecdotally I dont the injury rate seemed particularly high. I can't even recall a Brewer catcher leaving a game and going on the DL from a collision although I'm sure it happened.
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Actually 90% of baseball is half mental
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How about we just go back to the old less complicated way, if the catcher is in your way then knock him out of your way. If the catcher doesnt want to get knocked over dont stand on the plate or in the baseline Because the old way was dumb. why. Less complicated is better. Now no ones even knows what the rule is or when it is or is not being violated. That seems dumb to me
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How about we just go back to the old less complicated way, if the catcher is in your way then knock him out of your way. If the catcher doesnt want to get knocked over dont stand on the plate or in the baseline
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I think the first one is better
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I know, at the time Cain started his slide the catcher was sitting on the plate without the ball.
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not a slick turn from Shaw but it got the job done. He needs to receive the throw with his right hand much closer to the ball
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Miley looks like he should be wearing a Brewers trucker hat with his jersey always untucked and a barbecue stain on his number
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I remember part of this forum thinking he was the backbone of the trade for some odd reason even though it was really clear he was the throw in at the time. So who was the backbone? That was a weird trade that makes about as much sense to me now as it did then. Clearly Nix
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Get out of here with this garbage. Lets go back to 2008...who was the most beloved Packer? Donald Driver, the black guy. Who was the most hated player in the league in WI? Brett Favre, the white redneck guy. Sogard was a fan favorite in Milwaukee for same reason as any other team - he started out hot. The casual fan does not watch every game, and when a new guys comes in and they talk how great he is right away because he hits .500 for the first week that makes an impression. Then no one noticed he got 2 hits in August. If he started out with 2 hits his first month no one talks about him and he is gone.
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against lefties, Shaw can sit with his .537 OPS so Schoop playing 2B over Shaw is a big upgrade here considering we will actually have a middle infielder playing middle infield. against righties, maybe Shoop sits but its not like we sold the farm to get him.
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to be fair Villar has put up more bWAR this season, 1.4 to 1.1
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That is trying to fit the story to the results and nothing more. This claim is just as silly seeing as you are basing it on the same amount of evidence...none.
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Most wins in the NL
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Halladay was before but only by like a week. Who can name the perfect game pitcher from the White Sox in 2012? Who can name the perfect game pitcher from the As in 2010? The white Sox guy was a big Tampa draft pick. Humber? No idea on the Oakland guy. Braden? Seems like that should've been longer ago. Got them, Phil Humber and Dallas Braden. Considering only a few posters here could these guys, meaning 0.0000001% of casual fans, I am going to declare my theory that the best thing to ever happen to Armando Galarraga was that blown call to be correct.
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Halladay was before but only by like a week. Who can name the perfect game pitcher from the White Sox in 2012? Who can name the perfect game pitcher from the As in 2010?
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Can anyone who remembered Galarraga name any of the 3 more recent perfectos?
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OK, before anyone answers, I remember when this happened I thought 1 cool thing about was that it would end up being much more memorable than most actual perfectos because of the controversy. So, who can name the 3 perfect games since this perfect game that wasn't happened?
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN201105070.shtml Our closest no-no besides Nieves was Odell Jones, lost after 8.1 IP https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE198805280.shtml Then there was the Sabathia no hitter that wasn't ruled a no hitter, even though we all know it was a no hitter... I was at that game in PIT, comebacker to the pitcher, picks it up, drops it...obvious hit.
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN201105070.shtml Our closest no-no besides Nieves was Odell Jones, lost after 8.1 IP https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE198805280.shtml
