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And the one time Love throws accurately…a drop…sigh

Yup, poor play.

Idiotic throws like that are exactly what Love shouldn’t be doing. I don’t care the guy caught it. Throwing a jump ball deep in your own territory. Could have killed us on the first drive of the game.

Yah something like 2/$30mil makes no sense and here why: The Brewers can cut his salary by 20% and Woodruff has no way to claim he deserves more. So $8.5mil for 2024. Then they can give him a qualifying offer that probably would be about $22mil. Absolutely no team is going to give him that and lose picks. If he wants $30mil, you might as well pay him $8.5mil and watch him first hand come back from injury. We might even get a brief time to watch him on an MiLB or MLB mound next year. Then we can decide if we want to waste any more money on him. So we have quite a bit of leverage here. He could end up with as little as $8.5mil, get hurt again, delayed, or look terrible…at which point no team will give him anywhere near $22mil. Im guessing 2/$20mil is the happy medium for Woodruff. Is that for the Brewers? Brewers could waste every penny they give him or could pay him a ton for a neutral result. I guess I question the potential gain on the Brewers end. The ceiling for risking all that money doesn’t seem awfully high.

I’m not sure what logic you are trying to pull? Are you saying people that go to Brewers games should then get to divide up all the income tax etc. from the team being there? I might be able to get behind that concept.

I mean, I usually cheer for Big 12 teams in the tourney. There is a lot of pride in how good your conference is and them showing up in March. Either to prove you were actually that good or prove the experts wrong. How many teams you got in and how far they go is a pretty big deal in March Madness. Even come Final Four or the Championship, I am usually cheering for my conferences team.

The Brewers have already stated there is absolutely no chance they will put a fee on Brewers tickets. It won’t happen. They will likely add a fee to concerts etc. like has been floated. Brewers have already said they are open to this. One republican (who has drafted income tax cut legislation recently) admitted the deal as written includes enough projected buffer/surplus that even with the more generous tax cuts they have considered would still leave them in the green to pay their share. The only way it would become an issue is if they abolished income tax all together or if they made a flat tax. Both of which are incredibly unlikely anyway. I believe he said that if that were to happen, they could cover their contribution a different route. So I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something in the bill to cover if income tax revenues plummets as a backup.

I can’t read this article, but another article has the Brewers guy referring to a $3 tax. I’m guessing that is what is being floated for concerts and whatnot. Probably the same they would push for Brewers games if given the opportunity. You would have to do a 7% tax or so just to match what $3 per ticket would equate to. It isn’t good for ticket sales. Brewers gain nothing but lose ticket sales probably in the thousands. People don’t like hidden fees and taxes. I remember years ago I was going to go to a Cubs game until I got to checkout and there were like three different entertainment/sports fees at checkout. All the time I will just decide not to buy things because of fees, shipping charge, etc. I see at checkout.

2 year deal doesn’t excite me a lot. If he wants a deal, he can give us an option for 2026 if he comes back like he was before. Would a team actually give him a contract this off-season? Or would we be doing Woodruff a massive favor commuting him millions before he ever gets in a mound?

Thanks man, you try to even be a know it all about what I did or didn’t read. Lol Have a nice day.😂

I have no idea, I literally didn’t read it because you couldn’t manage to be a decent forum participant.

Chase Anderson put up a 2.75 ERA...I mean, regardless, that is quite the production. I guess you could say he has never had an elite team, but he also has never had resounding success either. I don't think one can underestimate the benefit of playing in one of only two divisions not loaded with massive payrolls. Put Counsell in any non central division and he probably doesn't own a single division title and maybe a fraction of the postseason appearances. The Brewers are lucky to be in the central so we know what any kind of success is.

I just want you to know, whatever this post says was an entire waste because the first thing I saw was a bunch of all caps bolded. I mean, grow up man. Can't we have a legit conversation without childish behavior?

To be fair...you gotta be pushing like 60 years old to have been an adult when they went last time...

This guy hasn't had a cobbled up rotation his entire competitive tenure and has had a mind boggling bullpen the entire time. The closest to that would be 2018. If you are going to be condescending, at least find something provable. Not sit here and claim everything good is an attribute to Counsell managing the team even though it very well might have nothing to do with Counsell. Are we outplaying our projections because of Counsell or because we have elite pitching (notably bullpen arms) to win a ridiculously abnormal number of close games? Literally no one here knows the impact Counsell does or does not have. Definitely a good impact, but past that it is quite a gray area. There is 100% many guys out there that could manage just as well as Counsell, if not better. The problem is, it isn't exactly easy to figure out who they are. A lot of these guys seem good at face value (especially the former player types) and some end up not so great in the grand scheme. It isn't a matter if we can or can't find someone to do a similar job for half the price...we can. It is whether or not it is worth risking ending up with someone notably worse trying to save $5mil or whatever that price may be. I am definitely in the camp of paying him and not finding out what the alternative is...but then again, I am not the one who needs to pony up the likely $5mil+ a year more to do so. Counsell is just like anyone else on the payroll. $7mil guy is better, but is he so much better than the guy for $2.5mil? Are the results outweighing the additional cost? That is the question. The Brewers can easily afford to pay Counsell...but they may not feel his added value is worth the added cost.

Probably so and they may be willing to pay him 7mil, that is the mystery. I am sure the Brewers would have been more than happy paying him $5mil. It is just where do you draw the line and when do you just accept the fact he isn't worth it? Everyone loved the pitching coach we used to have and thought he was the entirety of our pitching success and pay him whatever it took. We did just fine after he left. Would it really be that hard to replace Counsell? 90% of the in-game job is analytics these days. Generally speaking, I don't think people were a big fan of his lineup construction...nor his bullpen usage. Though the later is pretty much impossible to please people as a manager. It is like his value and praise he gets is for his locker room presence and creating a good culture. Is that going to be hard to replace? I guess we may find out.

I don't think this is entirely true. If Counsell wants to 'reset the market for managers' there is no way it would have happened via extension. Why would the Brewers offer Counsell more than what other managers have maxed out on? Pay Counsell millions more than a guy that has taken three different teams to the WS, undefeated in the LCS, 3 WS rings (possibly 4), and took a 94 win team to the WS a year later? It is quite possible Counsell wasn't very interested in talking an extension...or at least one south of the managerial record of like $7mil. I prefer Counsell to stay but lets be honest. If a team wants to give Counsell a record-breaking contract...that's pretty crazy and probably just reckless spending to have the guy you want. That is big market type logic, money isn't an object...just get the guy you want.

Again, I don't care about either team...no one cares about Marquette basketball in Wisconsin. How much rich boosters give to the program, good for them. Maybe they can win a meaningful game in March sometime soon with all that money.

Well, talent level is kind of meaningless when it comes to interest. Them being maybe elite may cause people in Wisconsin to turn them on if nothing else is on and Wheel of Fortune is already over. No offense to Marquette, but they aren’t a ‘Wisconsin’ team. I have no horse in this race, I care about neither. This isn’t some Kansas/Kansas State or Virginia/V Tech type comparison. Marquette is a speck compared to Madison.

Not really. There are plenty of reports and past comments from Counsell that would lead one to believe that is in fact his preference. No one knows for sure, but to call it wishful thinking makes it seem as though it’s pulling a rabbit out of hat type claim. It’s certainly not.

I mean, agreed, I didn't say that. I am guessing he prefers Milwaukee for everything outside of money...so barring us lowballing him, he likely picks us. The only thing we don't have is a perennial WS contender in the form of a large market...but I am not sure how much that would sway him.

I am not sure Counsell really cares where he goes if he leaves Milwaukee. It will almost surely be highest bidder. I am not sure Stearn's existence in NYC or the Astros WS odds are swaying him one way or the other that much. I am guessing he wants to be in Milwaukee if they can pay him.

It feels and looks like the Packers have little faith in Love to do anything. At the end of the game they didn't want to run it and didn't want Love to pass it, so they had a designed play for Love to just run it. Of course Jenkins then proceeded to get them flagged for 10 yards. on said play. Sure seemed like they were just going to set up the shortest 50+ yard field goal possible.

The point was a veteran QB is probably going to be more accurate and more consistently. A veteran QB probably isn't going to throw up random hail mary to lose a game, go into the bye week, and then proceed to make an even bigger fail mary to lose the next game in even worse fashion. The fact Love made a boneheaded play like that twice in a row is kind of amazing. I mean Love is lucky he got the bounce of a lifetime to get a TD pass and lucky Doubs managed to come down with his terribly underthrown pass for the first TD. The later of which he maybe needed help from the refs to not call it an INT. Clearly sitting behind Aaron Rodgers for years was pretty useless for him. He looks like a guy straight out of college.

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