I've pointed out before how fallacious it is to use Gwynn's minor league numbers as a whole because of the way they rushed him. What else are we supposed to use then? He wasn't rushed either. Unless you consider Fielder, Weeks, Hardy and Hart to be rushed as well as they were they same ages as Gwynn at the same levels (Fielder was actually younger.) 2004 should be completely thrown out of any discussion regarding Gwynn. Are you kidding? Why? Because he was awful? In 2003 and 2005 his K/PA rate was 1/8.4 and 1/7.8. His K% was 13.1% in 2003 and 14.7% in 2005. Again not bad but hardly handling the bat. You didn't include walks as plate appearances in your totals, which benefitted Ichiro's numbers. Yes Gwynn does walk more but that hardly has to do with handling the bat. His swing is far too long for him to consistently make contact and slap the ball all over the place imo.