Ok a few other things I didn't mention in my original post. - I plan on there being either 3 or 4 foursomes - price needs to be under $50 for 18 holes w/ cart - we aren't looking for longest drive kind of stuff, but some courses may offer a discount for something like a bachelor party (i think silver spring does) - We plan on the tee times being between 7:15 and 7:45. a 4 hour round gets us done by 11:45. - The course can't be too far away from my house (near mount mary college), because we will be REALLY pressed for time. - The reason we are pressed for time is because there is a 3pm brewer game that day (stupid national TV games http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ), and we plan on getting a school bus and going to to miller park to tailgate before the game. i would prefer to get down to miller park by 12:45. this means we need to be back at my house and getting on the bus between 12:15 and 12:30. that all being said, ironwood, the broadlands and edgewood are probably too far. courses that seem to be close enough that are "good enough courses" for us to play are silver spring island course, dretska, brown deer, and maybe fire ridge ?