thanks for all the responses guys. valpo, i will address some of your points/suggestions first: get on a written budget - i have used 3 different methods of tracking expenses and budgeting. Some have had some success, other have not. I will explain what I mean in a different post. But I currently do every single thing you mentioned in our first paragraph BESIDES the envelope system, which I have thought about doing several times already... SELL THE FREAKING CAR. $550 /mo for a vehicle is disgusting - i bought a car over 2 years ago. i was ok with the high payments at the time because after 3 years, i would have about 35-40k miles on my car and i would have zero car payments. and i would have that car for another 5+ years, and to me that was worth it. so i do plan on having it for a LONG time. i dont mean to offend anyone here, but i wanted my first car to be a new car that i liked. i had been borrowing cars and using my mom's car for too long. Now you've got it down to $250 /mo with the credit card debt stacked on top of it, stretched out over 5 years. That's insanity. You can't win financially with that philosophy - maybe i'm just not smart at all when it comes to $, but i dont understand what's wrong with combining the $7,000 left on my car and about another $7,000 in 2 credit cards with ridiculously high interest into one payment with a LOW interest rate. Here's how I look at it. i was paying $545 a month, and paying $100 - $200 on each card each month cause that's all i could afford. so that's $850 a month, and it's all paid off in about 2 years. now i am paying $240 a month for 5 years, and with the amount of money less i am paying each month, i will be paying it off a lot earlier than 5 years - and there is no penalty for doing so. and now those 2 accounts have a ZERO balance, and this way i am not charging anything on them cause i want to keep it that way. when i was paying $150 a month on these cards that had balances, i was still putting stuff on the card each month. the amount of interest i would have paid on those cards before paying them off would be about the same if not more than the amount of interest i will pay at landmark, which is a FIXED cost. if my logic is still flawed, please let me know. i admittingly am not the best with money, but i'm trying to learn. the bottom line in my mind is that for me, having credit card balances at zero along with a smaller overall payment each month (that is fixed), it's a lot easier not to get into more bad habits... It's too bad you consolidated your smaller credit card debt into that auto loan, it would have been a great starting point to gain momentum and get intense about paying off your debt. Now you've got a larger loan, which -- pyschologically -- is just easier to ignore or feel defeated about, easier to treat like a pet that you just feed periodically and it's bound to be around for a long time. - i understand what you saying, and i agree in general what you and others have said about knocking out small debts first, but 2 things: #1- i have tried it and i failed. i am more disciplined now, but i am at the point now where i dont need a small balance to get "intense" about paying off my debt. for me, this loan is making it easier for me because there is a fixed ending point - 5 years. and that's at the latest. with credit card balances, it could just keep going forever. i now have a plan. in about 4 years, i will have paid off my car and 2 credit cards. i also am on a plan to pay off credit card #3 (my last debt) (not counting the house) in 3.5 years. i decided to "hide" the card so i wont ever use it and i will pay $500 a month on it. and it will be gone in 3.5 years. shortly after that, i wil have paid off landmark, and i will be about to enter my 30's debt free. you guys are awesome. i hope this thread sticks around for all 4 years while i own this debt thing. getting several emails a day saying that there has been another post to this thread is a constant reminder of what i am setting out to do. and it helps - big time. i hope people continue to add comments, tell their stories, and i want this thing to become like 50 pages long. that will only make it easier for me! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif