I think you have a good point. The chances of Martinez being with the big club at least as a fifth starter are likely considering his age (24 next year). I just hope we don't have another Rafael Roque on our hands. Projected 2004 rotation: 1. Sheets (the way he is pitching now, he is a legit ace) 2. Franklin (not a legitimate #2, but has been pitching above all expectations this year) 3. Kinney (in a funk lately, needs to turn it around) 4. Rusch ( I seriously think that the Brewers will hang onto him. The way he has been pitching after the all-star break, I have no problem with this.) 5. Martinez (Have to give him a chance, especially if he performs well in the cup of coffee he will have this year) Other possibilities: Obermueller Tuet Coco Davis Neugebauer (extreme longshot, most likely going to be in bullpen if anywhere) Jones (another extreme longshot, but he more than likely will be in the major league camp, and if he performs well, the Brewers may try to catch lightening in a bottle) Pember (if he can get healthy and play a bit this year, he's got decent stuff)