This is an opinion poll on which of several players will have the best careers when they are all retired, it has nothing to do with the teams they are on. Everything in the world that cannot be directly calculated with an equation is not automatically an opinion where no one can ever be wrong no matter what they think, and I dont think your stance that players should be first judged based on WS is correct. Its not that I disagree with you, I am saying you are wrong, respectfully. The 2 have nothing, at all, in any way, to do with each other. There are some things that reasonable people cannot disagree about. I would be interested in having you rate the following SS in order and explain why: Arky Vaughan 0-1 WS, 136 OPS+ Phil Rizzutto 7-2 WS, 93 OPS+ Frankie Crosetti 6-1 WS, 84 OPS+ And I could find hundreds of other examples where you would have to admit that ranking these players based on WS titles is not correct or embarrass yourself by giving them credit for playing with Ruth, Gehrig, Dickey, DiMaggio, Mantle and Berra.