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  1. Just to be clear on a couple things Mark's not being difficult, it was not he that asked for one thing. Secondly the report of him being back in Maine......that's about as accurate as the rest of that post. It really is unfortunate that you really can't give good info without an immediate twist.
  2. simply asked not to contribute to this rumor mill and respectfully will do so. Although labrum not an issue. Probably why asked not to contribute.....to many made up stories to even compete
  3. good luck with surgery in Texas and take care with the rehab
  4. I would read that as a kid that was trying to do everything asked of him. It would also seem to put to rest the resistant to change theory. Buyers remorse? Sounds like he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.It would be nice to see him follow his gut instinct throw comfortably and be the pitcher that he could be....healthy and ready to go!
  5. I'm not you that you are quoting what was stated only perhaps how you took it. If anything I think the coaching staff perhaps backed off on their approach to allow a little more freedom of selection. It almost sounds by your comment that you might be implying that he broke down after going back to "the old ways"??? I'm not sure what you mean by took off. Either way it'll be in the hands of Mark to rehab as he is told. It's just unfortunate that the diagnosis was missed in house and the kid rehabbing when the problem could have and should been addressed with out going outside the box for a second opinion. Perhaps a lesson to be learned by any team mates with any discomfort.
  6. perhaps it's because all the "pro scouts" are on this site and the poor working sods are in the field:-)
  7. You couldn't have said it any better "In the Brewers opinion" and that's my point exactly. They take a kid with absolutely no shoulder problems and half way thru a rookie season proceed to fix him. The kid having a ton of patience does what is ASKED of him for 2 1/2 seasons and currently has a bump in the road. Perhaps they need to reavaluate how they fix mechanics all the way to the top. It would seem that there has been problems all the way to the MLB mound.
  8. what can be done to prevent these injuries? How about go out on a limb and don't try to fix what ain't broke! At least until your track record of competitive play-off seasons tell you that your doing the right thing.
  9. Nope , not at all . I'm simply implying that it must have been a struggle to be told that you will throw ...35 fastballs and 10 changeups for your outing.....period.....no matter what the count. 0-2,1-2,whatever. They all want to pitch to win. I believe that what we will see for at least the balance of the season is a kid with no handcuffs. not to say that anyone can't still get clobbered because they all will at different times but I'm betting it'll be more fun to watch. Yes I think his slider is a dominant pitch in addition to his curve that was off limits.They will both compliment his fastball and changeup. Personnally I think during the regular season his progress was slowed by outside influence. Not all negative because progress has been made but not perhaps what it might have been with all parties recognizing and working towards a common goal at this level.
  10. That's where I believe the problem lies. A pitcher that has the ability to dominate fall and spring ball with no problems, for example coming off a spring where Rogers threw around 41 innings and giving up one earned run? He shows up and does what is asked of him and suddenly can't find a strike zone? That's not going to happen for any pitcher without a reason for it. Tweaking his breaking ball from a below average pitch to what it currently is, not hardly. I don't think that if all a person is allowed to throw is a specific number of fastballs and change ups with a pitch count it takes to long at this level for hitters to sit on a fastball and foul off pitches until a ball is thrown or a pitchcount used up. Looking back at the number of batters with 2 strikes that ended up with a bleeder or a walk because he couldn't use a curveball isn't tweaking by a pitching coach.
  11. That's correct, as the majority the view these kind of sites assume the lines and box scores are the manner in which pitchers should be evaluated. Really nothing could be further from the truth in a lot of cases. There are pitchers all over that are simply doing what is currently being asked of them. With some it will work, with others I believe it is the pitching coach that needs to be able to recognize what needs to be done even if it means he himself needs to back up. I don't think that any type of coach at the lower level is any different than a minor league umpire....none of them most likely want to stay there for ever. The coach perhaps would like to develop talent and get some credit or recognition for it. The minor league umpire aspires to call his version of a ball game. Either way the players that in the end will continue to move up must find a way to survive the pitfalls of both. I don't know the number of players thru the minors but we all know that the largest percentage will not go all the way. Having said that since most of us are not at the games and read these things at night to stay in touch unless a person knows a player or situation it's just another ball game. Things truly are not as they seem at times and watching this thing has been an education.
  12. Perhaps then if the track record for years has been limited success with young/high school pitchers then one should look within the "pitching coach" inventory over the years. I'm sure that over time with the right people there should have been some success somewhere along the line. Any place you want to look thruout baseball players in all positions come into their own for different sqauds at different times. In rogers case perhaps it's a good thing they were able to recognize they needed to back off on tweaking and refining and simply let the kid throw the ball with a little more of his style.After all that's what they paid him for.
  13. I'd like to think that Mark being more "left alone" to control a larger portion of his game would result in more of what the Brewers came to baseball Siberia for. There has to be a happy medium between "tweeking" and natural talent. somewhere in the middle is precisely what we are looking at currently. I don't think that there is any perfect pitcher or style but should he continue down the path he is headed ( and his pitching teammates) the Brewers will be a force to be dealt with. I would suspect that the balance of the season that Mark will contribute a lot more than not. As far as smug goes, naw, the folks that believe in him are just waiting for the process to unfold. The negative bandwagon is much more smug because it's easier to be critical and if you talk enough maybe somebody will listen.
  14. Amazing the good things that can happen when they quit fixing something that was never broke, at least when he arrived. Left alone to strike a happy medium between "the tweeks" & fixes he'll most likely do what comes the most naturally for him and be successful.
  15. It will be nice to watch when finally Rogers and his catcher are allowed to control what pitches are being thrown themselves. It must be very difficult to throw what you want in the fall and then again during late winter and early spring,doing well then coming into an enviroment where you have no control over your pitches. But as long as you keep doing what is asked of you the coaching staff apparently is content. Development is a wonderful thing although I'd rather see him cut loose from the sidelines.
  16. Would like to see Rogers get a chance in this one.
  17. Thought Baker might pitch tonight for the Power because of cancelled game the other night bumping the rotation a little.
  18. Took himself out. Beginnings of a blister and decided maybe hold off rather than another finger problem. Throwing well 98 and hit triple numbers.
  19. Congratulations a while coming but non the less I'm sure very sweet. Exploding? What better positive reinforcment from the cheap seat....hows the view?
  20. good to see Rogers hitting 98+ with no walks
  21. Just saying what few hits have been given up have been either broken bat hits that fell in or balls hit thru the infield. There probably has been a ball hit to the outfield I'm sure but all in all he is not being hit hard and is satisfied with his performance.
  22. From his family after he throws. And Massbrew good guess!
  23. Not sure Rogers gave up any runs, no walks, 3 ks, 2 maybe 3 infield hits. Still no decent contact all well.
  24. Box scores can also be deceiving. Rogers was almost to the 3rd base line with a routine pop out only to have an outfielder lose a ball in the sun and have it drop in front of him....but that's baseball.
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