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This is exactly what I like to see the 5th spot in a rotation used for. It would be great to see the Brewers get into some sort of rhythm with their starting pitcher and be able to use the 5th spot as they ease in all their young pitchers. As for next year, Manny Parra better not be in the rotation to start the season or I am going to be very disappointed. -
I would like to echo the thoughts of those who want to move on. At some point, people need to realize that what we have is not working. Bush, Parra and Narveson are all pitchers that any team interested in winning should be looking to upgrade. People can make the case that they are fine as back of the rotation types. The bottom line, however, is that this starting pitching staff is horrible and at least 2 of the aforementioned need to be replaced. Finally, I would prefer to see the 5th spot in the rotation used to break youngsters into the league and not wasted on 30+ year old pitchers with zero upside and veteran salaries.
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I guess my only question is why did it take them this long to move Gamel off of 3rd? This should have been the plan before the season even started. They also better figure out what they want to do with Weeks real soon because Lawrie may need a change of position as well.
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And we would have to pay all of his salary to let him continue to pitch in mop up duty for a sub .500 team. I'd rather shell out the money (or Mark A's money) and acquire someone with potential opposed to keeping Hoffman for two more months so he can pitch on a team that is going nowhere.
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Way to spread those fingers, Craig!
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Aren't all pitchers that we sign coming off contract years? Sorry, I meant to type "big contract years".
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Randy Wolf is garbage. When the signing was made, I said that it had "Jeff Suppan" written all over it. However many claimed that he was left-handed and threw much harder, therefore the signing was not similar at all. I say be cautious of signing pitchers coming off of contract years. This team is not simply unlucky, it is a joke and if they don't start selling off some pieces for pitching, I don't know how I am going to watch them next year.
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The results are what matters and there is a reason that GMs make a lot of money. If you think about it, Liriano was on track to become a Johan Santana caliber pitcher until he blew his arm out. Nathan quietly went on to become one of the most doiminant and consistent closers in the game, until he too was injured. At any rate, Minnesota got more than their money's worth. Who care's how trades look when they are made? Remember how good the Sexson trade looked at the time? Capellan for Kolb?
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I think you are setting the bar pretty low for what is considered MLB success. Gallardo is the only difference maker to come out of that group. If the best our current group of pitching prospects yields is Eveland, Sarfate and Parra caliber pitchers, then we are in big trouble.
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It was time to sell about a year ago. Trade Hart and Weeks for the best young pitching packages you can get. This team is going nowhere and with Yovani out, they are an entire pitching rotation away from being able to compete right now.
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Or he seems like a guy that is looking to land a big contract. After what he admitted, I would have a really difficult time making a long-term comittment to him. As for trade possibilities, if all the Giants are going to give us for him is Sanchez, then perhaps we need to look into sweetening the pot a bit. Sanchez has been good this year but what we need is someone that we can depend on to be a difference maker, NOT a 27 year old with a 4.50 career ERA (1.41 WHIP) who is having a career year. Either package something with Hart or go after a minor leaguer with big-time upside.
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I'm not disagreeing with you here but this is just a thought that has come to my mind. Should teams ever invest significantly in a 1B prospect? It seems to me that every team has guys that can hit, but struggle to field their positions. McGehee, Braun, Gamel, Hart, etc are a few that come to mind for the Brewers. Now obviously you have to have 1st baseman waiting in the minors but I almost wonder if teams should avoid drafting players that they already know are limited to the position. Now there are going to be exceptions such as Prince Fielder where the talent is simply too good to pass up but for the most part, maybe it should be reserved for a hitter that just can't cut it at their position. Its seems to me that most teams have these types of players. If it turns out that they can't find anyone to play the position, that is where you could look into moving an aging major leaguer to the spot or signing a Dye, Guerrero type player to man the position for a year.
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Should a team pay $10MM per year for an average pitcher? I don't think so. Also, how is this team so consistently unlucky and at what point do we start pointing towards a common denominator? The way I see it, this team is playing to their talent level. If anything, they were lucky for the first 45 or so games last year. After that, the starting rotation was horrendous and coming into this season, I did not think that a Randy Wolf (who is no longer pitching for a contract) and Doug Davis would be enough to turn it around. This team has now been bad for the past 162 games. That would be quite a streak of bad luck.
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I wasn't happy about the Wolf signing at all. I couldn't believe they signed him after the lesson they should have learned with Suppan. So now Suppan will be off the books next year but we will have Wolf eating up salary. Mark my words, Wolf will be the third worst signing in Brewers history behind Suppan and Hammonds.
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I just wanted to make an appearance and eat some crow. Corey is playing much better than I ever would have expected.
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I agree. It seems that many on this board are in denial. What is it going to take for people to realize that this is just a bad team? Do people really think that this team can go 20 games over .500 for the rest of the way? The pitching is bad and it has been bad since the second two thirds of last season. Before the season started, I figured that this team would win 78-80 games. That is where many experts had them as well. Its not like this Brewers team is a sleeping monster that was predicted to win 90+ games.
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You beat me to the punch! Not going to lie, this is kind of a sad day for me. He was "The Kid" when I was a kid. Him and Frank Thomas were the first young stars that I followed as they came into the league. Now that they are both out of the game, it certainly makes me feel a bit older. I can't imagine how I will feel when Prince eventually hangs 'em up.
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He should have been traded last year as the team was clearly not going to be making the playoffs. I imagine that had we found a team desperate for relief pitching, the Brewers could have got quite a ransom in return.
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He also got another out on a sac bunt. Hard hit balls, more balls than strikes. He's just done.Sadly, I have to agree with you. I really wish that he could turn things around though. If he could get it back together, imagine what he could yield at the trading deadline.
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Hoffman sure didn't look too sharp tonight. He is lucky to have only given up 3 runs with a third out coming on the basepaths. Is Hoffman "out of it" yet?
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I don't know what is worse, the fact that the Brewers gave this guy $40MM+ over 4 years or that at this point, they can't even go to the stable for a legitimate upgrade.
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But we are losing out on the opportunity to find a guy that might be able to help us in the future. When a guy clearly has no future with the team and is this bad, what is the point? A guy like Kameron Loe might not be any better than Suppan but why not find out?I would also like to point out that fans often times care about more than a win/loss record. If my team is losing but makings smart moves and trying to get better, I can tolerate that. If my team is losing and continues to trot guys like Suppan out to the mound and expects me to believe that they are making an honest effort to win, it makes me angry.
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I've never understood this argument. The Brewers are already "eating" his salary. If the team is willing to spend money on guys to upgrade certain aspects of the team, spending an attional $500k (not exactly sure what the minimum is) to replace Suppan should be a no brainer.
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I have been keeping up with this thread pretty intensely and the one argument that is really bothering me is this: "The Brewers made a conscious decision to bring the team back to a competitive state through hitting, now they are shifting the attention towards pitching" This is very troubling to me. What hitters do we have on this team that would be considered long term pieces? As far as I am concerned, Braun and McGehee look to be the only ones. Hart is inconsistent and, Fielder will be gone soon, Weeks is now batting below .240 (this year could end up being the 4th time in 6 seasons that he will have done this), and who really knows what we have with Gomez or Escobar at this point. If it is going to take 3 years before we have some legitimate starting pitching coming, I am afraid that we may not having enough hitting around to be competitive at that time.
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Does anyone have a weird feeling that we are going to end up seeing Hoffman in this game?
