I appreciate what you say about Hall. This year his K's are way down though over their careers Overbay strikes out less often. I myself have never characterized Hall in the way you mention, ever. I was comparing Overbay to Jenkins in a sharp focus on who, between them, should hit 3 vs. 5 rather than the whole host of other issues. Your right that Overbay walks a lot and has a better OBP than Hall (and in the 3/5 discussion Jenkins) and that also makes me feel he is good in the 3 hole, more on for Carlos or Jenks to knock in. I don't have the expertise of many of the folks here. This is just my opinion