Fatter than Joey

Prince has been very durable for a fat guy Fat guys are generally durable until they aren't -- that is to say, once they go, the going is fast. Now, the defense thing is another issue, especially since 1B D is incredibly difficult to evaluate. His errors are trending down though His errors could trend down, because he is either becoming a better defender, or his range is decreasing -- In either case errors are not a good way to measure progress. I tend to think no matter how thin you slice it, Prince just isn't a good defender. If we can get 'our guy' in a trade, fine, but the nice thing about th draft is every guy you select is 'your guy'. Banking on draft picks can be quite dangerous -- Even when CC left, we ended up getting worse picks than we had expected, because of other FA moves that the Yankees made.

Chambliss hit his blast to end the 1976 ALCS against the Royals. Yep. My bad -- thanks for catching that. FTJ defends Steinbrenner but takes every possible shot he can at Ned Yost. Interesting. I am not sure why you find this interesting, perhaps you haven't been reading closely. I thought Ned Yost was a terrible manager and should have been fired. At the end, I was not alone in this view. I certainly wouldn't have embraced his death though. Furthermore, I am not defending Steinbrenner, as much as I am pointing out some of the misconceptions about the teams he formed. He was what he was, the world isn't a better place now that he is dead.

Let's not make Steinbrenner out to be a good guy because he spends more money. This isn't the point being made... The point was, there were a lot of owners that were capable of spending more but flat out didn't, and not for frugal management reasons. That was not good for baseball. He was against any sort of revenue sharing and fought tooth and nail to limit revenue sharing any way he could The large part of his objection was that there was no mechanism in place to ensure that teams would actually be forced to spend money on player salary rather than just owners pocketing money. Al Capone was a very generous man who donated a lot of money to soup kitchens in the great depression. Far more than many honest people did. Still didn't make him a great man I don't think anyone here is saying he didn't have serious character flaws. That said, he didn't murder a bunch of people like Al Capone. Seems like a big stretch here. His life wasn't a sad one so I tend to look back on the life not mourn the loss. While that may sound heartless I did not know him and there are plenty of other people who had less fulfilling lives who died anonymously yesterday Fair enough -- I just think his death is sad -- no more or less than others perhaps, but yet sad. Dave Winfield might disagree with you. Dude tried to destroy another man through lies about his character so, no, he wasn't a good man. I just listened to Dave Winfield give an interview -- he certainly dd not exalt GS in the least -- but he said he was "sorrowful" -- and that GS and he had mended their differences. Sounded to me that GS messed up, was punished, remorseful, and made amends, that doesn't make him good or bad -- probably exactly human.

Milwaukee would be a different team if we could just write a check to keep Fielder and Hart and CC despite the costs. And this is a fair point -- However, there are plenty of owners that could sign FA's but choose not to. Steinbrenner wasn't the richest man in the world.

Athletes and athletics should not be used as a political platform Yo Gallardo and others are and will be Latino primary to their athletic professions. It should be our refuge from all the politics affecting every other aspect of our lives. To a lot of people this is more that a political issue.

Wow FTJ, really?. I suggest one reads up on Wellington Mara's handling of his business dealings versus Steinbrenner as an example of how one New York owner lifted up his sport while another tore it asunder for his own gains. As I said, I don't claim that GS was my favorite owner, for example I think that what he did to Dave Winfield for example was despicable. However, he was banned, he served his punishment and changed his approach. People often claim that he "bought all of his championships" -- and if you look in particular at the teams from the 70s, there were many many great and shrewd trades. He was committed to winning, I have a hard time finding fault in that -- his methods perhaps. I really think it is unfair and inaccurate to claim that he "tore baseball apart" -- I would suggest he helped take it to the next level. He died though. That is sad. I don't think expressing contempt for a sports-figure on the day he passes is appropriate. This isn't like a division rival retiring, this is an actual man dying. I am guessing what he did as a human being far surpasses what he did as a sports figure.

Frankly, who cares? My guess, millions of people. Going further, I have a tough time believing that any of them with an all-star bonus in their contract would turn it down They were Latino before they were baseball players. they are a better man than I. That's a possibility. Different people have different priorities.

Like you stated, he's obviously not willing to give up anything too meaningful to make his "stand" -- just an exhibition game that doesn't take place until a year from now. I think you are reading too much into what he said -- I think the question and discussion was only as it relates to the AS game.... I suspect that Yo doesn't want to draw attention to his team, and make a statement like "I am not pitching in AZ" at this point in the season. My guess as well, is that the union is probably 100% against this law, and will use its leverage (whatever that is) to make the players and fans content. If the Latino people are not pacified on this issue -- I definitely think that there will be some players that will flat out refuse to play in AZ. Who knows who those players will be, and if Yo will be among them.

I don't think it's a sad day. He was a husband, father and a grandfather, it is definitely a sad day for some people. Steinbrenner is as big a villain as there has been in baseball, right up there with Scott Boras in terms of people who have earned my complete and utter contempt And now he is dead. You win. He bought a lot of championships so the heavy handed New York fans and media could gloat about their superiority; and that's about all you can really say about his "contributions" to the sport. I find this statement to be quite ignorant -- The team that dominated the 70s, was built largely by shrewd trades -- Nettles, Chambliss, Randolph, Dent, Rivers, Murcer, Pinella were the foundation of the team that won a lot of pennants in the 70s-80s -- Others like Munson, Guidry, Roy White were homegrown. Certainly there were some high-tag free agents like Reggie, Winfield, Gossage -- but the Brewers had their own FAs, like Sal Bando and Larry Hisle. Also, Steinbrenner was not the only wealthy owner in baseball, there were plenty with deeper pockets, but were reluctant to spend money to help their team win -- Steinbrenner was willing to do what it took. The team that dominated in the 90s was largely home-grown as well.... And again, Steinbrenner certainly opened his checkbook, but he also paved the way for his spending by creating cable deals that eventually benefited a lot of teams. I can certainly understand he was abrasive... and he certainly wasn't my favorite owner of all-time, but a lot of my angst against him, is probably nothing more than misplaced jealousy. RIP George.

Can't say I'm shedding too many tears over this. This is pretty harsh.... I grew up in the mid70s-mid80s, when Steinbrenner was at his best or worst depending on your affiliation -- He was certainly a villain in my eyes. However, most of my favorite Brewer memories from that period, involve the Brewers beating the Yankees. There is no question in my mind, that beating those Steinbrenner orchestrated teams made everything much sweeter. I also remember discovering the Big Red Machine in hopes that the Yankees wouldn't win the WS -- The 1977 WS when Chambliss hit his walk-off to beat the Royals, and Jackson's 3 HRs against the Dodgers are again some the most memorable events regarding baseball in my childhood. George Steinbrenner took baseball to a whole new level, and I am indebted to him for his contributions to the game when I was young.

If he's truly boycotting the state, why isn't he refusing to play all games in Arizona? Perhaps he will -- I suspect the question he was asked was All-Star related, since we are in the AS break... and they probably didn't discuss regular season games, or spring break (as JB12 mentions)... Since the Latino community makes up such a huge portion of MLB and its fans -- I suspect this will become a huge issue next year.

I can't believe you gave up on the Rangers because they traded Justin Smoak. Dear Thundercat: Glad you made it out of the frying pan, Kind Regards, The Fire.

"We should exchange our managements with the tic TAC toe which does the chicken" I will let you guess what the original English was.

That's a bit of a stretch. Gallardo's injury was one that easily could have happened on any pitch. or swing -- batter's injure their oblique swinging

Escobar is canceling out wins.

Dr. Raasch has declared Yo's injury a strain; Everything that I have read seems to indicate that there should be 6-8 weeks of downtime for this injury to heal. Furthermore, pitching through an oblique strain can lead to rotator problems as well. While Yovani will miss his next start and the ASG, it appears he may be ready before the Brewers' 6th game after the break, which would be the only reason not to DL him at this point. I don't understand why the Brewers wouldn't put Yo on the DL -- they are going to have to make room for Davis. While Yo could certainly pitch through this sort of injury, the risk of reinjury or rotator cuff damage seems quite large given the relative small chances of reaching the post-season in 2010.

DFA Jenkins

But Fielder must have lost at least SOME value with the year he's having. I don't think so. My best guess is that potential buyers of a player like Fielder are going to be inherently skeptical, of both his hitting and fielding, and his ability to produce over the long-term. I don't think that a lot of Fielder-tire-kickers were ever going to plop down a huge bundle of players for Prince, based on his 45+ HR seasons. On the flip side, if the perception is, is that Prince is having a down year, he still is a top 10 hitter in the NL in OBP, and HR. I think buyers are going to lock in on the Prince that hits 30+ HRs, instead of 50 HR Prince. Ultimately, I think the thing that drives Prince's value, would be multiple teams being interested in him.

Thanks Paulus88! I don't know much about soccer -- I assumed that there were subs like there is in hockey....

Can someone explain how the substituting works? - and the general strategies involved?

Technically I think he was sold a couple of times

The thing is, the ref gave the card to the wrong player. That's what it appeared to me.... thanks TLB for the clarification.

Why did that Algerian guy get a red card at the end?

And I see a team that became awful after Cameron, Hardy, and Hall departed Don't forget Branyan.... unless you mean defensively

I hope he gets another 15+ starts. I don't think this will happen. I think he is a stopgap until Penny comes back or the Cards make a trade