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  • Is Brice Turang's Breakout for Real?


    Jake McKibbin

    Brice Turang may be more than the Brewers ever hoped for, as he's impressed in every facet of the game since his most recent recall. Is this a franchise cornerstone moving forward?

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    With his premium glove at second base and a passable OPS, Brice Turang has already provided about as much as anyone hoped for from him as a rookie. However, prior to his big night on Monday, Turang was hitting .257/.357/.378 (good for a 102 WRC+) since he returned from his three-week demotion to Triple-A Nashville, with as many walks as strikeouts over that span. All of this is actually suppressed by a .284 BABIP, which is remarkably low for someone of Turang’s speed, suggesting he may even have been a little unfortunate over that span in terms of his expected statistics. By comparison, he struck out 27.1% of the time until June 6, with a slash line of .205/.254/.307, tapping into almost no power and not getting on base at a remotely acceptable clip. 

    He’s shown a lot of raw power at times, golfing balls out of the park, but it’s mostly the quality of his at-bats that have trended upward. He seems to have a much more focused approach--a clearer idea of what he’s trying to do at the plate. Some of this comes from his mechanical tweaks, which have allowed him to start the bat significantly later, and eliminated a lot of the extreme chasing and swing-and-miss we saw earlier in the season.

    Let’s contrast two at-bats here, the first one being the final pitch against Zac Gallen, on a curveball miles below the strike zone:

    And here is a shot of his three run homer against the Pirates last Thursday:
     
    Notably, he's scrapped the huge leg kick, which just doesn’t seem to be cut out for the high velocity in the major leagues in this day and age. He takes a short step now, with his foot barely leaving the ground.

    His starting stance is very relaxed, and very upright, with his feet together, whereas previously, his leading right foot was behind his left (similar to Ozzie Albies's wide-open stance). He's now able to create more forward momentum with the leg kick.

    These little tweaks allow him to see the ball later and make better swing decision. Against Gallen in April, he couldn’t get his leg down quickly enough to start his swing, and he was always rushing to catch up afterward, resulting in a very poor chase. Against Mitch Keller, his foot was down almost immediately after the ball was released, creating a good swing decision on a pitch on which he could do damage.

    To enhance the quality of contact and get the ball in play slightly more often, he also seems to have his hands starting considerably closer to his body. As a result, he's been able to do a lot more damage on the inner third of the strike zone, pulling balls high and majestically out of the park. He no longer has to pull his hands in quite so much during his swing; they were almost comically extended away from him to start the season.

    In short, with these three changes, he’s cured a lot of his early season issues, allowing himself more time at the plate and more coverage of the strike zone to enhance his bat-to-ball skills.

    What do his underlying metrics say about his performance since the recall?

     

    May

    July

    August

     

     

     

     

    Chase Rate

    30.2%

    25.3%

    21.6%

    Hard Hit Rate

    22.2%

    27.6%

    41.2%

    xWOBA

    .271

    .309

    .510

    xSlg

    .267

    .344

    .654

     
    When he came back up, Turang was still adjusting and implementing his new approach. It took until after the All-Star break before his adjustments really began to show an improvement in terms of the power potential in his bat, while before then, he was demonstrating an ability to take walks and draw out an at-bat, get on base, and use his speed and the Brewers' potent bats at the top of the order to drive him in.

    The reduction in swing-and-miss has been a big boost as well. Turang was struggling early in the year with almost any high fastball; it was a massive hole in his swing. So far in August, however, he’s whiffing on just 9.1% of fastballs, with an average exit velocity of over 90 mph. He has a -10 run value against four-seamers this season, and (as Jesse Winker found out) if you can’t hit a fastball, you will struggle in this league. Turang appears to have sorted it out, and while I’m not suggesting he’ll have an xwOBA of .510 for the rest of the season, he can definitely be a key cog in the Brewers offense moving forward--especially if Willy Adames can’t orchestrate a return to form.

    He’s struck out just once in 24 plate appearances so far in August. This is a man who feels comfortable in the batter’s box, and who might have unlocked his star-caliber potential. Throughout the minor leagues, there was always a suspicion among coaches that he had more power than he was tapping into, and it might be coming to fruition. Regardless, if his bat-to-ball skills stay where they are now, the Brewers have a productive shortstop they can count on for the next six years.

    Would you consider an extension for Turang at the end of the season? And could he be a player that makes a difference down the stretch, and potentially in October?

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    600 OPS Turang is still a valuable player. I like the detail in here a lot, but I want to point out August is still a smaller pool than the other months you've identified...and in August he's faced a lot of pretty bad pitchers as our schedule has been soft. Credit is due for hitting them for sure, I'll be interested to see if the mechanics continue to produce once he faces tougher pitchers.

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    His new swing is a little reminiscent of Bellinger, where it's very straight up and down until the swing (although Bellinger's swing is way more violent).

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    22 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

    600 OPS Turang is still a valuable player. I like the detail in here a lot, but I want to point out August is still a smaller pool than the other months you've identified...and in August he's faced a lot of pretty bad pitchers as our schedule has been soft. Credit is due for hitting them for sure, I'll be interested to see if the mechanics continue to produce once he faces tougher pitchers.

    Absolutely, I think it's the fact that even as a SSS, his expected stats very much match up to the results, and its not BABIP oriented, though I don't expect him to have this sort of home run production in perpetuity, or even production in general.

    In his first stretch with the team, he didn't show a week long production like this at any point really, so it does demonstrate at least that he's capable of it

    The main thing is definitely his Strikeout to walk ratio, that's massive for him. I'm expecting the league to adjust at some point, but we'll see how he handles that

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

    His new swing is a little reminiscent of Bellinger, where it's very straight up and down until the swing (although Bellinger's swing is way more violent).

    I had the exact same thought while writing the article, but wondered if that was me being a little off kilter, nice to see someone else agrees!

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    Well, holding the bat high got him noticed by his manager and clearly was the reason he won a job out of ST.  But holding it lower and more normally seems to have helped his swing also.

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    I think Turang is our SS for a long term.  I believe at some point Adames will be moved.  Even if Adames stays so will Turang, at 2b.

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    51 minutes ago, Trax said:

    I think Turang is our SS for a long term.  I believe at some point Adames will be moved.  Even if Adames stays so will Turang, at 2b.

    Agreed, I see Adames being moved this offseason.

    I wouldnt be surprised to see Turang at SS and Black/Monasterio at 2B come OD 2024. 

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    2 hours ago, DR28 said:

    Agreed, I see Adames being moved this offseason.

    I wouldnt be surprised to see Turang at SS and Black/Monasterio at 2B come OD 2024. 

    I think it depends on whether they think Adames value is higher at trade deadline with a good performance or in the off season (given the down year)

    Definitely wouldn't be surprised by this though, Adames is still a premium defender with occasional pop at his lowest, so that holds value on its own. He does fit the Dodgers needs oh so well too

     

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    Love the article.

    I was trying to find some video of Turang's swing when he was struggling.  There are a few things that are biproducts of a high leg kick:  timing and a "not-quiet" head.  It takes an exceptional athlete to be able to have a high leg kick and still keep his hands back for the off speed pitches.  The movement on the balls from the pitchers is crazy and the goal has to be to get the bat on the ball.

    In the videos above, I noticed that Turang was keeping his hands in a relatively good plane when he gets to toe touch.  Although he starts his hands higher, he gets them to the same place without too much hand movement.  I have a feeling he was lowering his hands a lot and that is why the coaches had him keep his hands higher.  That would also hurt with the high 4-seam fastball (as you mentioned).

    He doesn't take his hands behind his body on his load which allows for a quicker path to the ball.  He also isn't wrapping the bat around his head on his load.  Making more efficient movements with less unnecessary movement.  Square up the ball consistently instead of trying to get a 120 exit velo each time.

    So the big question is:  are these changes being made at the minor league levels and then being hosed up at the major league level?

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    7 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

    Love the article.

    I was trying to find some video of Turang's swing when he was struggling.  There are a few things that are biproducts of a high leg kick:  timing and a "not-quiet" head.  It takes an exceptional athlete to be able to have a high leg kick and still keep his hands back for the off speed pitches.  The movement on the balls from the pitchers is crazy and the goal has to be to get the bat on the ball.

    In the videos above, I noticed that Turang was keeping his hands in a relatively good plane when he gets to toe touch.  Although he starts his hands higher, he gets them to the same place without too much hand movement.  I have a feeling he was lowering his hands a lot and that is why the coaches had him keep his hands higher.  That would also hurt with the high 4-seam fastball (as you mentioned).

    He doesn't take his hands behind his body on his load which allows for a quicker path to the ball.  He also isn't wrapping the bat around his head on his load.  Making more efficient movements with less unnecessary movement.  Square up the ball consistently instead of trying to get a 120 exit velo each time.

    So the big question is:  are these changes being made at the minor league levels and then being hosed up at the major league level?

    I think the thing in the minor leagues is they do what they can to be successful at each level, but each level requires an adjustment, it's why some players do just hit the ground running but most don't. And Triple A to the majors is such a big jump in terms of velocity and quality of pitching being faced

    Exactly right, especially with the effort in his swing, really loved this response!

    One thing he's still not quite managing is to get ahold of left handed pitching, especially sweepers/sliders away (this is all eye test stuff) but he's in there every day

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