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  • Oh My Goodness: Craig Counsell is Leaving, and It's for the Cubs


    Matthew Trueblood

    For a few minutes Monday afternoon, Brewers fans could exhale with a feeling of relief. The Mets hired Carlos Mendoza, not Craig Counsell, to manage the team in 2024. Then, the other shoe fell. Counsell is gone, to take the helm of (of all teams) the rival Chicago Cubs. 

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    This is an Earth-shattering turn of events, for the whole NL Central. Counsell's departure forces the Crew to find a new manager, of course, but his defection to the North Siders instantly makes that team a greater and more formidable threat to win the division title next year, too. This is a double whammy, and will make the next few weeks and months immensely important (and immensely unpredictable) for the Brewers.

    Right away, the news we had to expect has come: Counsell will be the highest-paid manager, not just in 2024, but in baseball history. He'll make more than $40 million on a five-year contract, one that soars far beyond even what the Cubs did to land Joe Maddon almost a decade ago. 

    This has to alter the Brewers' offseason plans. The only questions are how much, and in what ways. Will the emotion and stakes of Counsell departing for a division rival and geographical neighbor incite a reactionary push by Mark Attanasio and Matt Arnold, or will this accelerate the move toward a transitional period for the Crew? Corbin Burnes's odds of getting traded and WIlly Adames's of signing an extension have certainly changed today. We just can't say, yet, in which direction.

    We have, too, to worry about who might follow Counsell (and/or David Stearns) out of town. Could the Cubs pick off Chris Hook, and promote either him or incumbent pitching coach Tommy Hottovy to replace the front-office pitching brain power they lost when Craig Breslow left them to run the Red Sox? Could they pilfer Charlie Green, Walker McKinven, or Nestor Corredor, the tripartite catching genius that has fueled the Crew's wildly valuable edge in pitch framing in recent years? The danger of a real brain drain just redoubled, after Stearns's departure had already spiked it.

    We knew the Brewers were offering to make Counsell the highest-paid manager in baseball, but as several reporters have now laid out, they never went into the neighborhood of the deal the Cubs dropped onto the table to lure him away. Whether they should have will certainly be a matter of lasting debate, depending on how the next half-decade goes for each of these two teams, but no team has ever done quite as much to commit to a manager (or assigned them an explicit value on par with a lineup regular) as the Cubs just did. The Brewers were willing to top the existing market. The Cubs were willing to create a new one.

    Who do you want to see take over? Does this change what you want to see the Crew do this winter? Let's begin the conversation.

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    55 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

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    I do have a lot of thoughts behind all this.  First, is you can not blame CC for trying to set the bar for all managers.  What hurts most is that he ended up going to a rival.  Of all teams...The Cubs!!  I will try and put emotions aside and hope there is a good reason on why our ownership group decided to let him go.  I really think that there is philosophical differences, and that the Brewers were not all in or getting players to even sniff the World Series.  I am truly tired that our ownership group needs money to keep Am-Fam field relevant, but our fan base suffers us not making an attempt to make. a deep run in the playoffs to put us over the hump.  Now I am not saying they did not do that in the past, but under Councels tenure that was not the case.  Im really waiting to see who they hire and what there PR motive is on why they let him walk.

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    I've always loved it when that team to the south overpays, and fails. Just another opportunity to see the same thing. As successful as CC has been, if that 5.5 million offer is accurate then I have no problem with him leaving.

    As to a successor, I would be shocked if Gabe Kaplers' name doesn't come up. I think he's worthy of consideration. I'm a Quinton Berry fan, but three years as a 1B coach probably isn't a fat enough resume to warrant a look from Arnold. Hope when the smoke clears he's still here, though.

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    23 minutes ago, Anton B said:

    I do have a lot of thoughts behind all this.  First, is you can not blame CC for trying to set the bar for all managers.  What hurts most is that he ended up going to a rival.  Of all teams...The Cubs!!  I will try and put emotions aside and hope there is a good reason on why our ownership group decided to let him go.  I really think that there is philosophical differences, and that the Brewers were not all in or getting players to even sniff the World Series.  I am truly tired that our ownership group needs money to keep Am-Fam field relevant, but our fan base suffers us not making an attempt to make. a deep run in the playoffs to put us over the hump.  Now I am not saying they did not do that in the past, but under Councels tenure that was not the case.  Im really waiting to see who they hire and what there PR motive is on why they let him walk.

    Welcome to the site and great post!

    I get why this happened. It makes sense from both sides. But… the Cubs?!?!?

    That’s what hurts the most. 

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    1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Welcome to the site and great post!

    I get why this happened. It makes sense from both sides. But… the Cubs?!?!?

    That’s what hurts the most. 

    Dude you have no idea when I heard this, I was like NO WAY.  My Cub friends were blowing up my phone and it was salt in the wound.

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    17 minutes ago, Anton B said:

    Dude you have no idea when I heard this, I was like NO WAY.  My Cub friends were blowing up my phone and it was salt in the wound.

    Our own social team posted this news on Facebook before I had heard anything and I thought they were trolling the page.

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    If pressed on why they didn't retain him, if I was the Brewers I wouldn't waste any time looking for some overly-convoluted excuse, or unique spin for the fans.

    If the above tweet is accurate, I'd say we made him an offer that would've left him as the highest-paid manager in baseball & he turned it down. Then I'd say "next question".

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    8 hours ago, sveumrules said:

    How did the Brewers make it to the NLCS in 2018 winning only one game?

    CC is 7-12 as a playoff manager....1-8 since the calendar got to 2019.

    Resting laurels on a NLCS trip 6 seasons ago is the sort of stuff that gets high priced managers fired...

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    10 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

    CC is 7-12 as a playoff manager....1-8 since the calendar got to 2019.

    Resting laurels on a NLCS trip 6 seasons ago is the sort of stuff that gets high priced managers fired...

    Who’s resting laurels on anything?

    I was just pointing out that it would be impossible to reach the NLCS with the 1-7 playoff record another poster attributed to him.

    Counsell didn’t get fired, he managed through the end of his deal then signed a new record setting contract.

    To me, that indicates that the Cubs believe his 573-460 regular season record over 1,033 games since 2017 is more indicative of his managerial ability than his 1-8 playoff record since 2019.

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