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I hope you're not talking about me Russell. All I said was that Gwynn Jr. deserved to play while he was performing at the time, he would be a future asset in centerfield, and his style of hitter is an asset as a leadoff man. Corey deserved to play once Gwynn's production waned.

That was only the debate for this year, because they would have both been right field options. And Gwynn deserved to play when he was hot. Even his backers only asserted that, and they're still right. Once he cooled down, he lost his role, and rightfully so. Corey had quite a few more at bats than Gwynn Jr., so it should be expected that he's more major league ready. It doesn't change the fact that when Gwynn Jr. can gain more experience in the future, eventually at his peak he still could be an asset at the top of the order. It's not either Hart or Gwynn. It was self apparent that Hart would get his chance eventually. The question is what do the Brewers do with Jenkins for the future and long term. Also, do they keep Hall in center or move him to the corner. And if Gwynn Jr. can be one of your 8 most effective options for the lineup, do you move him to the top of the order because that's the position where power is least at a premium, and move Corey to the middle of the lineup. It puts no debate to bed beyond this year.

Villanueva.......He'll NEVER be any good. He has a weak fastball and he doesn't really have any plus pitches. Oh well, at least we only traded John Wayne Franklin for him.

Man, Corey Hart is on fire! I love the doorman. He's always in view on the replay of home runs, and his reactions are seemingly instantaneous. If Corey Hart keeps hitting with this much power, do you move him to the middle of the lineup so he can hit with more runners on? That's the ironic quandry a team has when their batter at the top of the lineup becomes a complete hitter. It's definitely a good problem to have.

That's what you call playing and managing like losers. We load the bases with no outs and Graffy does the least acceptable thing in that situation, which is strike out. Of course when the at bat seemingly means nothing, he's Albert Pujols. Counsell has that intangible winner approach and drives one to the outfield to at least get the tie. He'll be a big asset once we make the playoffs for that reason. But then we can't get a hit with RISP and were 2-11 on the day. Just because conventional thought says you don't use your closer unless it's a save situation, Yost brings in Spurling to succumb to his inevitable demise against the reigning AL MVP; instead of using our best reliever to keep the Brewers in the game. We need to control the situations and score the runs when we know we need them, to take the lead, so we don't have to depend on Yost to use creativity he doesn't possess. Playing and managing like losers. We played great sabermetrically today.......realistically not so much.

Thanks Brian. Yeah, maybe like a vent tab up around where it says "share this thread". So you have the page open to the in game thread......you have to vent.......click on the vent tab.......then click return to your normal in game thread discussion. I don't know if you remember, but I was very complimentary of the site format and graphics in the past (at espn), so I can make these constructive criticisms.

I thought about that, but sometimes I'm multitasking, and I have the max number of browser tabs used up. It's not that big of a deal. It's a small thing that's never made sense to me. My main contention is that I don't understand the logic of it being in the major league forum. It's less convenient than it could be.

That line can get pretty blurry. What if someone said: "face it, this team sucks.......that was a stupid move by Yost......he's a terrible manager.....we're 0-10 with RISP.....we play like losers". That's a nice blend. You know. Why not just put the vent thread in the in gamer. Most venting is derived from when one is watching the Brewers play I'd imagine. That's when emotions are at their height.

\ Kay, here's a thought Brian. How about placing the venting thread at the top of in the "in game thread" forum, instead of in the major league forum, where one needs to traverse over there and back, any time they want to make a post which might be deemed as negative. It would be more convenient and I think more people would abide by the code.

Yeah, we're certainly not trading Villanueva. He's on the cheap for a couple more years (we're still the Brewers), and his value isn't proven to other teams, so they can use that fact against us. But for those in the organization, and those watching at home, his ability shouldn't be in question. "Bushy" is a proven commodity who would be used as a trading piece, not "Villy". Man, this team really needs to add a nickname advisor to their payroll. They come up with the most unoriginal ones.

Hall!

9 hits and our only run came on a near double play fielder's choice! How to play like winners: by the Milwaukee Brewers

I had an inkling we might get no hit around the 2nd inning. Our hitters are just being made to look silly by Verlander. This Lineup + a Nasty Young Pitcher + Interleague Play + Comerica Park = a long night for the Crew.

I'm glad you aren't an archer. Those fans would be in trouble because obviously you don't see things very clearly.

Ned Yost is just brutal when it comes to his use or misuse of the pen, and his seeming propensity to leave starter's in past what is clearly their point of effectiveness. He has shown the tendency long enough for me to believe he'll never learn and always be a liability in that area. What has Carlos Villanueva done to show him that he's not to be trusted simply because he walks one batter to start an inning. He's done nothing but pitch his best with the game on the line. But he leaves Vargas out there to drown in the 6th when that's around the time he gasses out, and players are killing the ball off him. Then he doesn't bring Cordero in yet with the bases loaded, with the chance for the Cubs to tie it. Turnbow can never seem to get that final out. I'm done with that guy as setup. We need to make a move for another reliever or promote Gallardo and give him the opportunity. Or Villanueva possibly. The less fails Nedly has in our pen, the better of a chance we'll have to actually win something.

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Then you should rent Wild Things....because then you could see all of Kevin and his Bacon. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif Said already: Hudson Hawk The Burbs I'm with Brian on the Teeny Bopper thing Also: Beverly Hills Cop II The Fan Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 Idle Hands Some hokey love stories like Simply Irresistible (not the sappy ones though) Street Fighter has to be the worst movie ever and Mortal Kombat is right there. You win dude!

RISP: .225/.350 slugging RISP + 2 outs: .182/.182 slugging Runners on: .230/.365 slugging 20 RBI's in a 3rd of a season as a cleanup hitter. His job as a cleanup hitter is to hit with power with runners on base/scoring position, and drive in those runs. He's been putrid at his job. http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/140/041_24-086.jpg There's more than meets the eye.

Could Bill take a bigger swing? We're playing like losers. Any time we get runners in scoring position we pee our pants. Any time a situation calls for a certain approach, we do the opposite. This is truly pathetic. You can't win many games with solo home runs. We need a more diverse offense. The next time I see a solo home run, it will be received with apathy, unless it ties the game late or wins it. We will have turned it around when we scored a couple runs in a game with little ball and timely hitting. As much as we were overacheiving early in the season, we are underacheiving even more right now.

Weeks RISP: .209/.349 slugging and dropping RISP + 2 outs: .194/.226 slugging and dropping close and late: .150/.542 OPS (deceptively high really) proving why I've always called him the anticlutch superstar Estrada should have scored, but he showed no awareness of the situation. As usual lately, we're doing everything to prevent us from scoring runs.

Well, I've never been particuarly fond of Bush. It's not just a reactionary trade proposal. I think the guy has overrated stuff and is mentally soft. And were just going to ride it out with Bush in the rotation? That's a precarious strategy for a team trying to hold on to a division lead. He's not going to last for more than a few starts anyways. And like I said, this trade wouldn't be possible immediately. Ideally he'd turn it around for the next 3-4 starts, get his ERA down to 5 or so, and we'd deal him. Hi Brian. If the Rangers could fetch more, I'd be willing to part with just about anyone in the Brewer's system, who is not top 3. The only players I'm particularly fond of outside that group are: Periard, TGJr. (if you consider him a prospect), Parra (injury not withstanding), and Heraud (hasn't played in 2 years). Braddock might be another guy, but he's already injured his arm. I'll be honest, I think our current system is overrated beyond the top 3. But that's for another discussion.

Rangers trade: Kevin Millwood, Akinori Otsuka, cash for Dave Bush, Zach Jackson, Jose Capellan, and Tony Graffanino This is of course contigent upon Milwood getting healthy so it wouldn't be an immediate trade. I don't feel like Dave Bush will be a good pitcher in the postseason given the fact that he's prone to the big inning. If he can't handle the pressure when things go awry in one inning of a regular season game, how is he going to do under the bright lights of the postseason? Gallardo isn't an option as a starter the entire season because we'll have to shut him down. And it's not optimum to rely on a couple inexperieced young pitchers like Gallardo or Villy to start in the postseason. Vargas simply is not good enough. A reliever like Otsuka is a luxury for a bad team like Rangers. Millwood is kind of pricey, so they may have to pay a few million dollars of his contract. He's kind of up and down, but his veteran leadership would be an asset, and he is potentially a horse. Side note: Deal Mench to the Angels for a prospect in the interim.

What a day. What a series. What a week. What a fortnight. If Yost doesn't finish this season with a winning record, www.geocities.com/chicago...hegone.wav .....indeed. In addition to managing being just based on results, or lack thereof, and the need for scapegoats; we just aren't doing the little things, which I think can be fairly attributed to the manager. For example, Hardy swings at the first pitch, which was at his ankles, down multiple runs in the 9th. That's a microcosm of the lack of situational hitting we've exhibited nearly this entire stint. Estrada can't take a 1st pitch down late, neither can Mench. Hall can't hit worth a crap with RISP, and that's his job as a cleanup hitter. Weeks can't make solid contact with the game on the line, last night, following doing so in every other at bat, and that's something which goes back to the minors with him. Certainly the bad approach at the plate down late is something that Yost should instill in his players not to employ. A major league team should be able to move runners over, and in, more often than not. It's all or nothing homers right now. And I think that can somewhat be blamed on Yost. Also, the defensive shifts are a little ridiculous. Players may have a pattern of pulling the baseball, but let's not just assume that nobody has control over where they direct the baseball. As Tony Gwynn noted, he would have eaten up those shifts in his day, clearly a reference to the strategy particularly employed by Yost. Pitching wise, he's got to stop wasting Villanueva is fairly meaningless situations. Throughout the year, those are the situations where he has fared the worst, and it's because he's better than that. The guy should be in the rotation, not pitching in mop up duty. Doug needs to make some drastic changes. Trade Mench for a reliever already. Make a decision with Capellan already. I'm an advocate of Yo to the bullpen, but it wouldn't hurt to give him a couple starts to jump start the big club, taking Sheet's place if he's injured, and then we can put him in the bullpen later. Consider trading Bush. Let's go. I for one am not satisfied with backing into the playoffs. It's a hollow win to succeed because your fellow division mates are weak. Especially if we aren't set up to do anything once we get into the playoffs. Saying all this, I'm optimistic about the Braves at home. Home sweet home.

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Dave Bush is not unlucky. If you don't walk many batters, that means you are around the plate a lot. If you are around the plate, it's more likely that when players do make contact, it's going to be very solid contact with the head of the bat, especially if you don't have dominating stuff as would describe him. Balls which are hit hard on a line obviously have a better chance of landing for a base hit than pop ups or softly hit grounders. It's not like random chance whether a ball lands in play or not. That's what BABIP is assuming. Furthermore, if you let teams string walks and hits together, they are going to be more apt to score runs, as opposed to the same amount of hits and walks being spread out. He has the propensity to the big inning, so his WHIP is always going to be deceptively low. It's gone on long enough to where it's a pattern. He might have a problem with adversity. Players should get credit for handling pressure well and discredited for not handling pressure well. It's part of the game of baseball and sports in general. I don't have a problem so much with peripheral stats, just how they are overly widely used, and misinterpreted. Dave Bush isn't unlucky.