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  1. This might be a situation (ala Adames) where it is in the best interests of the franchise to keep Turang until FA, then let him walk for the comp pick. I realize and respect that others have a difference of opinion on the Burnes/Hader deals, but I just don't think those worked out for us. I guess for the "getting over the top", having a 5 WAR player for 1 season is far more valuable to me than having a 1 WAR player for 5 seasons, even though it can be argued the WAR is the same (Burnes - 1 year versus 5 years of Hall/Ortiz, Hader versus 5 years of Ruiz/Gasser). Not trying to argue that the later follow up trade of Ruiz was phenomenal. I'd revise my perception considerably if we acquired Ruiz specifically to acquire Contreras, but I honestly feel like that just fell into our lap rather than a multi-step plan.
  2. The question might be (and why get worried for something that might not happen), how does our system need to change if pre-FA control is reduced to 4 or 5 years instead of the 6-7? Does that add more of a market incentive to do these early 6-8 year deals in the $40-60 million range for our premium players. I think we all agree that the $20-$30M/per deals really crash our system. Between Braun, Yelich, its hard to argue that either of those deals worked out for us. Woody hasn't (but was realistically a 1 year deal at that premium price so it doesn't hurt long term)... I agree that signing Adames, Williams, Burnes, and Hader would not have been in our best interests. My question would be though, would 1 extra year of Adames last year helped us? Would 1 extra year of Contreras or Turang help us in 2028, 2029, or 2030? I think my original point was, would it be a valuable strategy to try and extend (early) our control over some of these premium players from 6-7 years to 8-9 years if possible. Not keep them for their career, but try and get year 1 or 1/2 of their FA. I realize this is a dicey proposition though. Extend the wrong players, and you end up with bad contracts. Wait too long for the player to establish themselves, and there really is no reason for them to give up their most valuable 1-2 years of FA. Then again, an injury can come out of nowhere (QP, Woody, etc)
  3. I think this is definitely the reality of a successful small market team in MLB. what makes this so frustrating though is the need for all of your well performing prospects to more or less reach their peak at the same time to have a shot at a World Series. not saying that is impossible, but will be extraordinarily difficult. The good news is that when we do win a World Series we will absolutely have earned it as compared to some teams that just buy it. I think the passion for the Dodgers is a mile wide, but only an inch deep.
  4. Which deals have worked out for us through where we trade a player 1 year from FA? We’ve made some outstanding trades, but they seem to be where we are trading prospects for young pre-arby guys who haven’t fully hit their stride (Contreras, Adames, Priester, Harrison) In terms of the pure trades, I do not think we’ve done well with the 6th year guys (Burnes, Hader, etc). Jury is still out on the Peralta trade. if we roll with the 5-6 year strategy and then let the guys go (Adames), I can live with that as we get often a peak year out of them.
  5. I will go on the record now as being in favor of giving QP an extension. I get that he may not pitch for us in 2026, and there may be no season in 2027, but thought he was dynamic for us last season. I would not want to give him a $100M deal, but given what he has proven, and given his current injury risk, buying out the remaining 3 Arby Years (2027, 2028, 2029), with 2 team options for 2030-2031 might be worth it. $4 / $7 / $10 for Arby Years, with Team Options for $13/$17 and buyouts of $2/$2 So 3 Years/$25 million guaranteed, and 5 years $51 million if fully extended.
  6. My concern on our 2028/2029 window would be that we won't have Contreras during those years, and we might not have Turang in 2029. Would we still have Bauers? Age/FA? I hope Quero/Dinges can step in but that point, but they (assuming year 1/2 of their MLB career) would likely be a major downgrade offensively from Wild Bill. If Jett/Pratt come up and give us something, that could help improve on the current Hamilton/Ortiz offensive challenges, but losing Turang would be a huge blow to our offense. Not trying to be pessimistic, but by 2028-29, the only regular that we can probably pencil in for sure in our lineup (especially 2029) is Chourio, while also hoping that Pratt/Made/Jett have made the leap. Key in a WS run versus being competitive is that our offense likely needs to be significantly better than it is now, and while I'm very high on our young/unproven players, expecting them to not only replace production from Contreras/Turang but also step up from what we're getting from Yelich, Bauers, Vaughn could be tough. Maybe a healthy compromise would be to go for Buxton... And yes, I was talking about 2018 Burnes / 2018 Machado... not 2026 Machado
  7. Sproat? I love the potential, but he hasn’t shown anything yet. The guy has an ERA pushing 6 (I realize ERA is not the end all be all) I think you’re underselling Patrick. The guy has been lights out this season.
  8. I would support both of these trades. I get the “bites of the apple” approach, which gives us a ton of playoff appearances, but we just have not had enough offense over the past decade when it matters. looking back, it seems like a no brainer to have traded Burnes for Machado. I hate the guy, but we probably win the NL Pennant that year if we make that trade. Burnes was a good player for us and won a Cy Young, but I don’t think we won a single playoff game with Burnes 2019+
  9. Harrison only has 4 years of team control left after this year, or are you saying that we’d give him a boost immediately this season? if he continues this trajectory, he’s probably looking at: 2027: $1M 2028: $5M arby 1 2029: $10m arby 2 2030 $20m arby 3 i would think we’d need to go 30/30 for the FA years to get him interested… so that would be 6/96 at a minimum IMO i’d put my priority for extensions: 1) Made 2) Harrison 3) Patrick… I’d also love one with Miz, Wild Bill, and Turang, but those opportunities have probably passed
  10. Alright gents, I’m sold. Looks like we have four more years of control after 2026. Any possibility we could sign Kyle to an extension that gives him security in exchange for maybe buying out 2 years of FA? that would make him 30 at the end of a 6 year deal. He did have a $2.5 million signing bonus from the Giants back in 2020, so that maybe works against us, but would love to lock him and Miz up together for the next 5-6 years.
  11. I was really pissed when we traded Durbin, but this trade looks amazing thus far.
  12. Same. This is awesome. I feel bad for cubs fans actually, I don’t. Hopefully they like Curt Console and his bullpen management.
  13. I think this is a good comparison and I hope history repeats itself
  14. I know there is variability in relief pitching, but given he’s shown success in 2 years, I’d be in favor of giving Patrick that “Ashby contract”. he turns 28 this year and we have him under control through 2031 (Age 33), but that would be a goodwill gesture that allows us to use him in the most valuable way to the team. We could do arby year to year, but most players (rightfully so) once they’ve established themselves as MLB calibur players become more focused on counting stats and workload that will yield more favorable figures in Arby and/or FA Given inflation… maybe offer a 5 year/$30 million extension with a team option for a 6th year/buyout? given he’s already 28, he might be a good candidate to lock up with “life changing” money.
  15. You make a great point about the increased value for shut down relievers that can give you multiple innings (the original Hader) as a result of May starters only going 5 innings or 2 times through. while we like To joke about Ashby pitching in 100 games, realistically, clubs will need more multi-inning arms if we’re looking to cover 4-5 innings every game from the bullpen. i just hope if we go this direction, Patrick doesn’t revert to a Hader and insist on one inning. He is clearly more valuable when we have flexibility. Maybe we could give him a multi-year deal/guarantee that would express that value?
  16. Love the success that the Brewers are having. While I’m excited about Patrick becoming a “go to guy” in the bullpen, I worry that we’re not leaving ourselves the best possible 5 options for the rotation. With QP still finding his way back and Woody not likely part of the future plan (next 3-5 years), do we really have 5 better starter options than Patrick? Miz and Harrison are in there for sure. QP if healthy should be there. That leaves Henderson, Sproat, Drohan, Gasser, Crow (if not Patrick) for the final 2 spots. given how well he pitched for us last year and so far this year, I feel Patrick has proven more than any of the other 5 guys. why not keep Patrick on the rotation and use guys like Sproat and Gasser in the bullpen for now? as we all know, pitching depth is vital and all the guys should get a shot, but it just feels to me like Patrick has earned his spot. go Brewers! Sweep the scrubs
  17. I miss Collins and Durbin every game. I also realize Durbin is struggling on Boston. Maybe he just played better here with a different culture.
  18. I forgot we had Vaughn available. Almost wish we would have used him instead of Rengifo with two on and 1 out earlier, but I guess this works
  19. Fair…. But we’re about going to be approaching the 1/3 of the way mark. It would be nice to give the kids a shot and chance to get established before we go bargain hunting in late July.. plus, every win we get now puts us in a better position for the playoff stretch run.
  20. Agreed. That trio needs to go. If we’re 15 games under .500 and the kids aren’t ready I understand. actually, I don’t. In a winning franchise, washed vets don’t get repeated chances. Let the young guys play
  21. Where did I call him worthless? Relax. just saying, we are three years in from acquiring him as the headliner for an elite player and he hasn’t played meaningful baseball for us. at 26 and still rehabbing, maybe he’s got time yet to still be a solid piece. When we acquired him I think the hope was that he could be a top line starter. I hope that happens, but seems less and less likely.
  22. 2 ducks on the pond… bit opportunity here boys. Good to see Hamilton pulled, but sobering that our best options is Rengifo. i know in the trade/waiver thread we talked about not a lot of help available on the left side around the league… but yikes. i know Durbin is off to a rough start with Boston, but I’m secretly hoping he gets released and the Brewers can snag him back
  23. Good to see Sal with a couple hits today. Hopefully he can get going
  24. Sounds good. Sorry for the hyperbole. Hope he can put it together
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