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Packers have sank to getting the c team officiating and broadcast crews...

Lol, this is all a clown show

That's a PI

Aaron Rodgers isn't working with the Packer training staff would be a pretty good answer to that question. To be fair, Jones has a history of taking forever and a day to get back from a bum hammy - if he doesn't have that burst he consistently takes huge hits by LBs, which was what happened against the Lions

Also, only the Packers seem to find ways to be more injured after a bye week than heading into it...unreal

If packers win today, they will be in that nfl blob mix to either contend for a bottom playoff seed or wind up with the 10th pick in the draft. If Packers lose today, then I think there's going to be alot of smoke to trade vets away and they'll be closer to a top 5 pick... Really is that big of a difference between 3-3 and 2-4 in the NFC, assuming the vikes go down to Frisco today.

It's their turn to be the weekly nfc darling that gets smacked around a bit.

Where do the players and execs live or have residences? Most likely the tri County area. I'm guessing they pay property taxes on their properties, yes? This is alot more complicated than comparing where state and local chunks of tax dollars come from on the front end and then not factoring in the impact of tax receipts by the same entities and economic benefit and local tax revenue having a mlb baseball team located in Milwaukee (and not, say, wausau) brings to the tri County area.

Since the odds of just about any government entity opting to take less money from people and businesses in taxes are zilch, count me in the camp of being ok with diversified tax dollar spending/incentives that includes things the primary tax base enjoys having around to spend disposable income/corporate profits at. Glad this deal appears to be getting done one way or the other.

When is the trade deadline again? Wondering if this adds smoke to any Aaron Jones trade rumors...there are several AFC North teams that make alot of sense

I was going to say, we bought our 1st house in spring of 2008 with a zero down, 6% 30 yr mortgage and promptly went underwater for a few years while the market cratered from 2008 through about 2011. 1980 was a precursor for economic malaise across all sectors due to inflationary pressures, too. Those were far from the right times to buy due to financial pressures moreso than housing supply....there are some parallels in this current economy to those times, unfortunately. Regarding mortgage rates - I don't think they're nearly as tied to home prices as they are towards the base rates dictated by the Fed...and as inflation has remained stubbornly high I don't see them dropping back anywhere close to 4% anytime soon. Those ~2.5-4% mortgage rates were a historical anomaly based on an extended period where the Fed basically set a 0% Fed funds rate to keep the economy growing for 7 years through 2016 after the last bad recession caused largely by an overheated housing market and overleveraged wall street balance sheets, then had it at 0% through Covid that really jumpstarted the upward inflationary pressures we are still dealing with now. what do they say about history repeating itself??

For starters, the US population is growing pretty rapidly - probably 60 million more US citizens now compared to 2000. And yeah, baby boomers have their houses, but they haven't yet reached the collective age ranges where they're destined for retirement villages or the afterlife, meaning the big turnover of houses from them to others looking to enter the housing market hasn't happened yet. When that does, I can see the housing shortage quickly turning into a glut. Also, I think it's got alot to do with people who have the means to move from urban city centers to suburbs much more readily than a generation or two ago, which means more single family homes per capita - US cities are being hollowed out

I'd also say the Bucks offense in the regular season has a good flow to it because they could get out in transition at will when half the regular season games are viewed little more than pickup basketball by most teams. Come playoff time when transition basketball is much harder to come by, that Bucks offense has desperately needed a scoring guard who can get his own shot or force teams to defend more than 2 players in a half court set. Dame and Giannis running a pick and roll with Middleton setting up camp on a corner is pretty much an unguardable set they can go to whenever they'd need it.

Samuel and McCaffrey both lost to injury today, suddenly Purdy looks like a 7th round draft pick losing against a good defense and after hearing all week about how the roster has no holes because they thumped an overrated cowboys team. Such is the NFL...

Not saying they won't continue their approach of signing aging or oft injured arms hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, but maybe they'll realize it isn't the greatest model to build pitching staffs seeing that two of them didn't even make the playoffs and the third got instantly oustered because their staff was in shambles due to injuries.

The Dodgers do have a knack for signing a stable full of pitchers that keep surgeons busy

I'm not offering any sort of longterm deal to a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 who just had shoulder surgery and will likely miss all of 2024, on top of the fact he just missed most of 2023. It sucks, but the Brewers simply need to not offer him arbitration and wish Woodruff well, and realize they got his prime years of performance. Even with the advances in surgical procedures, pitching injuries and assuming guys make full recoveries are sketchy at best. A 2 year prove it deal for $20-$25M also makes zero sense for the Brewers, because they then wind up paying him ~$10M to rehab. If a different MLB team wants to give a guy with a bum shoulder a longterm contract to see how he looks at the start of 2025 as a 32 yr old, good for Woody getting that kind of guaranteed money. It shouldn't come from the Brewers. I'm an advocate of not offering Woody arbitration and then using that salary savings to at least offer Burnes and Adames arbitration, then entertaining trade offers for both this offseason but also being willing to roll with them into next season - if they aren't contending, deal both at next season's deadline, or even a bit earlier if teams come a calling. There should be plenty of teams chomping at the bit to trade for Burnes this offseason, but without Woodruff's $11M on their books the Brewers could afford to pay him his arby salary next year if that's the route they'd want to take - even if it's used as a slight bit of leverage to squeeze as much prospect value out of an organization that covets Burnes for a full regular season as possible. Would enjoy the Orioles and Dodgers getting into a bidding war for Burnes this offseason with the young talent they could offer.

For the first part of your post, no this doesn't really feel like Israel is interested in going back to the way things have been since 2005, and there's a strong likelihood this could spiral significantly in the region after people realize that this won't be a week or two week response. I don't want to totally derail this thread though. For the 2nd part, I don't even know if there are economic indicators even worth basing investment strategies on anymore - it really does seem like the US economic policy is to continue printing $$ and racking up debt to keep as many people afloat as possible and rely on the rest of the world being in worse economic shape so capital keeps flowing into domestic markets no matter what interest rates or costs of goods and services are. At some point, that approach stops working, and the adjustment is abrupt - but it's incredibly difficult to time when it hits the fan right from an investment standpoint. I've been in the "keep your blinders on and stay the course" approach of investing with my retirement fund, and while I'm sure I've missed out on larger gains I've also avoided taking hits by poorly timed investment buying/selling based on where I though stock and/or bond fund markets were headed. The current economic landscape just feels weird, and investments seem to be largely untethered from day-to-day earning and spending habits of most people that are getting ground down but still hanging in there financially.

The O-Line has been just fine pass blocking. Whether that is because they throw extra TEs and a RB to chip blocks is fairly irrelevant to Love's inaccuracy. Against LV Raiders, who really have 1 good pass rusher in Crosby, they were routinely trying to pass block with 7 against 4 man rushes and only sending 3 receivers out for initial routes against 7 man coverages. You don't do that with a decent offensive line. Walker has been a turnstyle at LT when not getting help, and the line in general has been brutal against stunts and occasional blitzes. Teams really aren't even blitzing Love very much because there isn't a need to when the Packers are already in max protect mode. Jones being out also kills their passing game to RBs, which is a developing QB's security blanket - however Love has also been very inaccurate with most swing passes out in the flat, to the point where even completions aren't in stride and leading to guys having no chance to make a move and pick up positive yardage. One thing I'm hoping to see from Love is better accuracy with his short/intermediate throws. Part of me is trying to continually remind myself that I've been used to seeing those throws by arguably the most accurate quarterback in the history of the NFL in Rodgers, so Love isn't going to ever meet that standard....but he's got to be better with ball placement on those swing routes and bubble screens to give those plays a chance at generating positive yardage. He's got to be much better at hitting receivers in the right spot with throws in the middle of the field, or he'll continue to be an INT machine that winds up being gunshy at making throws when guys are open.

So, are there any teams in need of a veteran QB to go on a playoff run that have some cap room? With today's news that Jefferson is out at least the next month for the 1-4 Vikings, I'd imagine they're about to start calling folks in Jets land, ATL, anyone that would answer a call about trading Cousins to get something of value back for next year's draft. The Packers are going through a retooling year, to be sure...but the Vikings now have a better shot at going from 13 wins to 13 losses in one season compared to contending for a 2nd straight division title with the same core group. Sure, I can see the Vikings standing pat and then reupping with Cousins this offseason - they will have cap room if they want to go that route - but that is a roster in purgatory at the moment that their fans will look back at their 2022 season and wish they were bad sooner than they're about to be. I can see Hunter being traded, too - he is having a solid year.

Yeah, he became "that dude" with his performance in ATL right after that road WC win in Philly. not lost on me that 2010 was by far the best defense the Packers ever had with Rodgers, and that side of the ball did as much heavy lifting for playoff wins as their offense did to win a title.

What evidence is there that QBs are forced to start more now days? I guess it's tough to draw any direct relations, but in looking across the league, I count 28 current starting quarterbacks who either were the starter from game 1 of their rookie year or at least became the starter at some point their rookie year - and that doesn't include the Chiefs (Mahomes), Packers (Love), Vikings (Cousins, despite the fact he did play as a rookie after RGIII got injured), and Raiders (Jimmy G). Had Rodgers not gotten injured the Jets would be a 5th team, but Zack Wilson is now their starter.

I don't remember that quite the same - Rodgers had 30 TD, 7 INT in 2009 and they were 3rd in the NFL in points scored/game...he still took a ton of sacks but that was the year they won 11 or so games and lost their wild card game in AZ. After that season, many prognosticators picked the Packers to win the Super Bowl the next year in large part due to his development and the Packers' offense. 2010 they had an uneven offensive year because they suffered a ton of injuries during the regular season and Rodgers also missed a game with a concussion...and then they won the Super Bowl that postseason as the 6th seed.

I can see sitting behind a starter for 1 year, like Patrick Mahomes, then taking over, if it's the right situation. Yes, no matter how the best player in the NFL was handled/managed, it was the right decision - the problem is not every quarterback is going to be Patrick damn Mahomes no matter when they are drafted or how they are developed. I recall people around the Chiefs' organization new from his rookie minicamps right after the draft that Mahomes was going to be a stud. Quarterbacks get thrown into the fire right away in today's NFL more often than not because of how their rookie deals are structured - especially if they're 1st round picks. That doesn't mean it's the right approach, particularly when that quarterback isn't the right one. Should Daniel Jones be making ~$40M a season to be worse than Love right now in his 5th NFL season? Love may not wind up being a longterm option as the Packers' starting quarterback, or he may take a jump and turn into a star - but whether he sat for his first few seasons behind a quarterback still winning league MVPs or instead started playing every Sunday last season won't determine that outcome. Despite all the expensive contracts being handed out to quarterbacks, and 1st round QB draft picks playing right away all over the league, Patrick Mahomes (2017 1st round pick) is the only quarterback to win a Super Bowl drafted in the 1st round since 2009 (Stafford won a title with the Rams in 2021 and was 1st overall pick that draft year ~15 seasons ago). Love's current contract gives the Packers time to let him play and make a decision on whether he's deserving of that initial longterm extension, or if they need to bring in someone new as part of a complete roster and front office overhaul.

After his first five games as the Packers' starting QB in 2008, Rodgers led the Packers to a 2-3 record, and here was his stat line. 9 TD, 4 INT, sacked 11 times, completion percentage 63%. 1,274 yards passing. The Packers would go on to a 6-10 season record that year and Rodgers had multiple games where he didn't look like he belonged on an NFL field, too - but there was enough flashes of really good to justify an initial contract extension after he sat for 3 seasons that wound up being a huge bargain for the organization. Rodgers didn't take that leap to being a potential stud quarterback until year 2 as a starter (5th year in the league) Jordan Love after his 1st 5 starts this season (2-3 record also, coincidentally): 8 TD, 6INT, sacked 10 times, completion percentage 56%, 1,083 yards passing....by all accounts his numbers are a tick below Rodgers at a similar spot in their development, but I'm not expecting Love to be a HOF quarterback just because it's who the Packers have had a that position for the last 30+ seasons. I also think the current Packers' offense is much more raw from a skill position standpoint than what Rodgers had to work with in 2008.