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Here is what we got for $40+ million: Jeff Suppan Pitching Stats for Years 2007 to 2010 Year Tm W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB 2007-2010 MIL 29 36 .446 5.08 110 97 9 1 0 0 577.0 700 358 326 77 221 26 302 27 1 23 2595 83 1.596 10.9 1.2 3.4 4.7 1.37 Average 7 9 28 24 2 0 0 0 144 175 90 82 19 55 6 76 7 0 6 649 per 162 games 10 12 37 32 3 1 0 0 190 231 118 108 26 73 9 100 9 1 8 854

I don't blame him for that. I blame Sveum for that. Everyone knew Suppan was a horrible choice against the Phillies and it made the decision even worse when we knew Gallardo was available when he came in later. I still think there was Melvin/Mark A. pressure to start Suppan who they signed to pitch well in the playoffs...if Suppan would have pitched a gem it would have made Melvin/Mark A. not look so bad for signing him. Either way, I dont care about who decided to put him in there, he got the start in the playoffs and completely choked and did not step up at all. What an epic fail to pitch 3 IP of 15.0 ERA ball in a home, elimination playoff game. In April of '08 he went 7IP, 4 H, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 ER against the Phillies.

Will never forgive him for knocking us out of the playoffs in a game that Gallardo pitched 3 scoreless innings. First hitter of the game hit a HR and we never had a chance to see Sabathia pitch in game 5. Gallardo in '08 playoffs: 7 IP, 4 H, 5 BB, 4 K, 0 ER Suppan in '08 playoffs: 3 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 3 K, 5 ER

We should hope that a contending team has an injury to a RFer and overpays us a lot for the current NL HR leader.

He was not out for that, you are only out for not running in the box if you hit by a throw from behind you.

As someone too young to remember the Milt Pappas or '86 Series examples, I am completely unaware of the situations unless someone tells me. But as a baseball fan you watch games and learn about these things that only true fans know about, anyone can look up some names in the record books. Earlier this year Bruce Froemming was in the booth during the brewer game and talked about that Pappas game he was umping, Im sure that was news to many brewer fans watching the game that he came that close to a perfecto. On the other hand, I can go to the record books and see that Don Larsen or David Cone threw perfect games. If you think about it, what is the point of the record books? To honor and remember great accomplishments. Which is exactly what has happened with this game. This is now the most well known "perfect" game in history, and one day you may have to remind some young fan about it just like you would have to hear from someone else about the '85 WS call. No one, however, will really care to remember Charlie Robertson's perfect game in 1922 except to just see his name there and then instantly forget it. There are been perfect games lost because of bad defense, like Jonathan Sanchez last season. Should MLB give him credit for it? I dont see how it is any different than this. The pitcher was robbed of a perfect game on a simple groundout that his teammate booted, just like an umpire robbed this one. What if some player has a long hitting streak and in their last at bat they hit an absolute rocket blast off a base and it is recorded as an out, should the commisioner just say we want to get this right and credit him with a hit? I personally think it is cool that now probably most of us can say we were watching the brewers game and watched this perfect game missed call right when it happened and we had a first hand account of one the most famous games in MLB history. There have been 20 official perfect games, a handful of other times when a pitcher has recorded 27 straight outs and not credited with a perfect game, and only 1 where an umps call "cost" a guy a perfect game.

I fail to see how I can't recognize that, enjoy baseball, and find the blown call & subsequent lack of action by MLB obnoxious. Because who cares, it doesnt affect your life, its something to talk about for a little bit and then forget. But I do understand your desire to have the call correct so we disagree. And you're only one fan. Obviously there are many, many more that enjoy things like this more when they aren't botched by a bad call & subsequent lack of action by MLB. Not including people on this board I really think is just a typical overreation by many, many people who arent really baseball fans, dont understand the game, only follow their team if they are good or the Yankees...on ESPN the guys on NFL live and NBA live are voicing their opinions about instant replay in MLB just like all the morons on youtube, how bout you explain the infield fly rule to me before you act like you should be the commisioner. I feel that in general there are many decisions in life forced on people by other people who are not involved that much, just like how many little leagues have all these dumb rules where every kid has playing time minimums and bla bla. They were not implemented by the coaches or parents who are baseball fans, they are forced upon the league by some moms and dads of the kids who suck who dont know the difference between a fastball and curveball. We should not give into the overreation of the masses and implement instant replay because most people on the internet want it. Obviously you and I disagree and we can debate it based on our reasons, but you cannot use the majority of people on ESPN or youtubers who spent 5 hours a day on facebook and use that as an arguement to support your cause...the most popular show currently on TV is dancing with the stars.

Please do not act like he is not in the records books, alought that is technically true, this is now one of the most famous game in MLB history and will be talked about by many, many more people for much, much longer than if the call was correct. Anytime anyone ever mentions perfect games this will be the first one brought even by less intense fans. obviously belongs First of all he only had 3 strikeouts, not that dominant. He got 14 groundballs, the MLB average is only turning about 70-75% of ground balls into outs, so a little luck there. He also allowed 4 linedrives hit right at people, line drives on average are only converted into outs about 20-25% of the time...a little luck there. If Jim Edmonds is playing CF, Mark Gridezxlkjchasdf (sp?) hits a double to lead off the 9th. I wasnt watching the game, but there was also a play in the fifth according to game day that went 1-5-3, so I assume it bounced off the pitcher and luckily went right to the 3rd baseman? He had some good luck during the game and then bad luck from the ump, it evens out, o well, its just game, the Tigers still won and now this guy will be remembered exponentially more than Dallas Braden, or Len Barker, or Mike Witt. How many people on this board even know that Addie Joss, a Wisconsin native and UW-Madison alum, threw a perfect game in 1908?

Sorry but for me its obnoxious that someone can care so much about a game that you cant have fun with it and realize how special that game was last night. It will now be talked about for a much longer time and be remembered by many people because of the controversy. There are probably millions of people at work today talking about baseball who didnt even know what a perfect game was before last night, let alone could even name Dallas Braden. Once we start with replay it will just keep getting longer and worse and more boring (just like in football) I guarantee eventually a team will be out of challenges and not be able to challenge some play that ended up being very important in some NFL playoff game and they will just allow unlimited challenges. If you watch college football you know that now 90% of scoring plays are just automatically challenged and it takes the life out of the crowd and wastes time on TV. THIS IS A GAME, the most important aspect is not to get perfect calls, it is to make it enjoyable for the fans. The delayed celebrations in football are no where near the same level of excitement for the fan than the real thing. Im not some traditionalist who thinks oght to be done they used to be in good ol' days just because, I want the game to be EXCITING.

1. Managers get one "challege", like in football. No flags, however. A manager simply tells an ump that he would like to challenge the call with a 5th ump looking at a monitor in the booth(or use 3 in the field and 1 in the booth)- safe, out, fair, foul, HR, not a HR(everything but strikes and balls). Everyone who proposes these ideas fail to realize the implications of this. What if an OF traps a ball with runners on base and its called the third out, where do you put the runners? What if the runner fell down and could have easily been thrown out after the trap, do you assume he would have been thrown out. What if it there was 1 out and a runner was tagging and was then thrown out for a double play, do you give the batter 2nd base since he would have gone there on the throw to home? What if a ball is ruled a hit and runners advance, but replay shows a catch, do you put the runners back? What if you had Carlos Gomez on 3rd, do you assume he would have scored because he is fast, but if it was McGehee you dont get the run because he is slow? What if you have R1, R2, double play attempt with 1 out, runner called out at first but R2 was trying to score? Reaplay shows runner safe at first, if he was called safe at first on the field the 1B would have had a chacne to throw the runner out at home. Does the runner get to score, go back to 3rd. The defense would surely complain that they had a chacne to throw him out? The list of special situations which would have to be applied to replay situations would fill volumes and you couldnt just show it on the screen to the average fan. 3. If the call stands, the manager cannot challenge for the rest of the game. Also, the manager cannot leave the dugout to talk to the umpire for the rest of the game. Upon doing so, he is ejected. I never understand this, isnt the point of replay to get the call right, what possible sense does it make to have a clause like this. What if Jim Leyland was wrong on some call eariler in the game and was out of challenges? Then everything is all fine and good? This could be possible. The game actually would speed up under such rules. No more 5 to 10 minute manager arguments. A little too idealistic here. Do you honestly think this will speed up games? Everyone acts like every call in baseball is obvious, I have DVR and a few points are that 1) whenever I think the ump was wrong there were right, 2) There are MANY plays where you cannot tell what the right call is using instant replay. Also, if you are giving this 5th umpire this job he is giong to take his sweet time, just like in the NFL, because they know the same views they are getting will be replayed on ESPN for a week, so they are going to make 100% sure they are correct, they will not just take 1 look in 15 seconds and say OK we have a decision, play ball. Even the play last night it appeared that the ball moved in Galarraga's glove making it not 100% obvious that he had complete control of the ball, it would have probably been reviewed a dozen times by the 5th ump. Managers argue with umps for many reasons and they are not to just question calls, it is mostly to stand up for their players. Also, they certainly do not last for 5 minutes. My point is that I dont care if the call is wrong, IT IS A GAME. Plus, wrong calls RARELY happen in situations which actually cause the wrong team to win. Having controvesial things is interesting and memorable and make baseball a great game. There are millions of people all over who think baseball is "boring" are overreacting to this and talking about instant replay, its good for the game. Its fun to talk about blown calls and would could have beens. The home fans boo when a call goes against them no matter what and that is part of the game. The game would slow down far too much for no reason because some call reversal wont change the outcome and everyones time will just be wasted.

Looks like someone has already forgotten...it's Armando. Luckily we have replay on the site http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif I know i did that on purpose.

"The only call more stupid would be to attack Russia and England at the same time" Pretty good

1) This is now one of the most famous games in baseball history. It is probably now the most famous perfect game in history above Don Larsen just because that happened in 1956 and most people are too young to care about it. Anytime from now on whenever anyone mentions perfect games everyone will add "Dont forget about that Andres Galarraga guy who got screwed by a bad call" Everyone seems to have an opinion about this game yet I would bet that most people (not on this site) could not name Dallas Braden as the first perfecto this season. What people dont understand is that this did not take anything away from Galarraga, everyone on the planet has seen the replay and knows he threw the perfect game and now this is one of the most famous games of all time. If the call was correct then everyone forgets this guys name in a month. 2) I still dont want replay, this is a game, it isnt national defense. We dont have to implement technology just because it is available. When these things happen they are special memorable moments like this and have a special place in baseball history and make the game interesting. Also, just like in football which burtaly wastes sometimes 30 minutes per game on reviews, the calls rarely affect the outcome of the game, just like in this game. There are just too many problems with replay in baseball and at the end of the day it would all be pointless because the calls dont cause the wrong team to win, maybe 1-2 times per season (not per team, per season).

Wow, Macha doesnt just give the guy the inning to finish and watch him implode, finally a good pitching move.

It died so that 2 others could live though

Not so fast

Good thing we didnt have Jim Joyce on that play

Hits a game tying dinger after being hit on the hand earlier in the game...can you image what Ben Sheets would look like hitting after being beaned earlier?

Now we have as many earned runs as the Fish

McGehee made a bad throw but the other 29 1B in the league can catch the very short hop that Fielder not only cant catch but cant even stop.

Weeks drops an out, this team defense is horrible

If you watch the replay he made a slight movement like he was starting to call the runner out and then reversed. It would be interesting to know why he seemingly changed his mind

He hits Escobar 8 because he is a rookie and Macha hates going with young guys.

Not that I agree but maybe his thinking is that he doesnt want a basestealer in front of the pitcher since you dont want to get thrown out when the pitcher can bunt you over or end the inning to have the pitcher lead off again. I also wonder about this moving the lineup up 1 spot, you will get more ABs for your good hitters but I wonder if it is worth it since at least 1 of the ABs there is less chance to have runners on for the boppers. Although based on how horrible our 2 spot has been this year we probably wont lose too many runners on for Brauny.

That is not fair because you can only ground into a DP when you come to the plate when a DP is in order with less than 2 outs, and you have far less than 600 PA is those scenarios so the DP is much, much higher if you only consider PAs with a DP in order. There are many balls hit during the season by a player that would have been DPs if there was a runner on first.