True, but when Doug Davis has the highest batting average for a starting pitcher on this club, you know something is wrong. Off the top of my head I can think of 10 good hitting pitchers: Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Mike Hampton, Horacio Ramirez, Dontrelle Willis, Noah Lowry, Roger Clemens, Jason Jennings, Adam Eaton, Eric Milton. I wouldn't consider these guys automatic outs. But you are right, when the pitcher comes up - he should be an out. I wish we had a pitcher that could hit http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/happy.gif