It depends on how "terrible" their pitching is. For a one run save, getting two outs and then getting the last guy down to two strikes and then give up a home run, I can deal wih that. However, a meltdown like Turnbow in 2006 is horrible where the ERA is above 10 for well over double digit innings, the walks are up there every outing, and he can't get ahead of hitters at all. I thnk they pulled the plug on Turnbow at the right time. Get him out of the closer role, have him do mop up the rest of the season, and then reasses for next year's spring training. That reassessment got Turnbow into the setup role where he was lights out for the first two months of the season and iffy the rest of the way. Going into this year Turnbow does not seem to be the setup man, long relief, or ever mop up. He seems to be the odd man out of sorts that will come in during important situations only if the other 3 relievers ahead of him (Torres, Riske, Mota) are unavailable or need a rest. We're holding onto him because there is a glimmer of hope he can get back to the greatness he had in 04-05. As far as Gagne goes, hasn't had control issues so far, just a few untimely home runs.