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I'm sorry did they pick Wyatt at 22? Looks like neither of us can claim much victory on this one. Perhaps having 2 first made them comfortable taking an older player at 28

He's 21

What other predictor are you missing on this one?

21 years old, they like 'em young

People keep quoting me, I'm simply replying back. Is that not what this place is for? Plus it's always the same people. There are a few longtime posters and moderators here who think they have a monopoly on thought. If you don't share their view they let you know about it. Heaven forbid you reply back and explain your viewpoint. Despite being an optimist myself, I'm starting to sympathize with the pessimists who get shut down by these same people.

The whole point is that people are looking in the wrong direction. Do you want some absolutes counselor? Under Gute the Packers have not used a first on a player over 22 (4 of 5 have been 21) and the lowest RAS (athletic score) was 8.35. Those are great starting points if you want to really get an idea of whom the Packers have their eye on. Not official visits. There's sound logic behind both criteria. You want that 2nd contract (years 6 through 9 or 10) to be in the player's physical prime and as little of it while they're in their 30s as possible. And a first rounder should have some elite level of athleticism.

Right so there's no conclusion to be drawn from them having a player in for a visit. Most of the players who came in for visits and wound up being Packers were added as undrafted free agents. Yet we are in 2022 still trying to make a big deal about 1st round caliber players the Packers are flying into Green Bay ahead of the draft.

Have the Packers brought in Alec Pierce for a visit? My guess is no. There's someone people should be getting attached to if they don't want to be surprised or disappointed when his name is called.

They literally never even spoke a word to Jaire Alexander. Jaire had zero indication that the Packers had any interest in him and was completely taken by surprise when the Packers drafted him. They have a well documented history of using their official visits as smokescreens. None of this is new, yet here we still are. This is why so many Packers fans will continue to be surprised and miffed when the Packers pass on their draft crushes and draft someone that fans weren't doing deep digging into.

Perspective... Peter Bukowski - Rashan Gary is the same age as Devante Wyatt

They love their smokescreens

Big difference between marketing firms hiring people at a fraction of the salary who could be with them for 40 years vs NFL teams drafting athletes trying to time up their physical prime. It's no secret that the Packers idea of a successful draft pick is getting 2 contracts out them. They rarely make exceptions and give out that 3rd contract. We have countless examples of players performing at a high level that the Packers have bid adieu and then watched that player not live up to their 3rd contract elsewhere. Fan favorites at that. And of course that doesn't mean they hand out 2nd contracts to draft picks that don't pan out. Do be ridiculous. Again, teams draft players with the intention at the time that said player is going to be good. No one is writing the name on the card saying this guy is going to be terrible. And yes it does matter and it's not just Raimann. Here is a list of player pushing 23+ who might go in the first round that I'd happily make a friendly wager with anyone here that the Packers won't draft with either of their 1st round picks... Bernard Raimann Devin Lloyd Devonte Wyatt Trevor Penning (22.9) Jermaine Johnson Jalen Pitre (22.8) Boye Mafe Jaquan Brisker (22.9) Arnold Ebiketie Malik Willis Kenny Pickett Abraham Lucas Christian Watson (22.9) The bolded I've seen mocked to the Packers at either 22 or 28, or to other teams in that vicinity and linked to the Packers. It's not happening. No QB surprise this year either even if Kenny Pickett were to slide ala Aaron Rodgers. Some pretty juicy names there. I'd love to see Wyatt on the board at 22 and then read all the chatter in that 15 minute window that the Packers are surely taking him. Then laugh when they take someone else that they're perceived to be reaching for. Wyatt is 24 years old.

Thanks for looking that up. I had a feeling it extended beyond the first round for them and you just illustrated that. No doubt they'll make an exception from time to time in rounds 2-4 but I doubt we'll see a draft choice over 22 by Gute in round 1. Especially with that 5th year option.

If you want to leave open the possibility for an exception, go for it. Logically though it becomes clear that there's more to their first round draft pattern than a preference for simple youth. They're a draft and develop team that rarely makes exceptions when it comes to giving big money and 3rd contracts to players over 30. Knowing that, it makes all the sense in the world that they'd have a pretty strict rule criteria for 1st round picks when the number of players they have interest in is at its longest. Drafting a 24 year old with a first round pick means he's 29 after one contract. That's not value for a team that sets out to get as much of two contracts out of players before they hit 30. And every pick is made with the intent of the player panning out. You don't use a first rounder on a player whose best case scenario means giving him that one big extension when they're on the cusp of 30. The Packers want those most expensive years (the 2nd contract) to come in the player's physical prime (25-29).

They draft with the intent of getting 2 contracts out of players. They're not going to use a first rounder on someone with the intent on letting him walk after his first contract. I didn't contradict anything. I'm actually surprised what I stated isn't common knowledge by now. Gute's concrete preference for youth and athleticism from his first rounders is well documented. Just a really weird argument to make.

The Packers under Gutekunst are (wisely) a 2 contracts before 30 organization. They're not even considering a guy who will be on the doorstep of 30 after one contract with a first round pick. Under Gute the Packers have drafted 5 players in the first round in his four years. 4 of the 5 were age 21 and the other was 22. You can safely cross Raimann off your lists. Unless maybe he drops to the 2nd round where contracts max out at four years.

The team obviously saw something they could fix with him as they have with many pitchers, especially relievers. They very well still may feel the same way. And just last night he pitched a clean inning (1 BB, 2 K) in a game they couldn't have won without clean innings from their pen. So he literally just helped them less than 12 hours ago.

I hope Yelich wins a 2nd MVP and that all 4 of Brinson, Diaz, Harrison, and Yamamoto go on to have successful major league careers. No matter how well any of those 5 people do from here on out, the trade has already proven to be the right move. Anything from here on out is too far removed from time of transaction to be predictable or foreseen with any high degree of certainty.

Well, are you running around proclaiming the opposite of what you said earlier in an attempt to make it look like you knew something no one else did? His original comments were harmless. It's the current comments which are completely dreamt up. And it didn't require searching archives. They're comments from this same thread. Nobody put a gun to his asking for revisionist history about Jordan Yamamoto now that the latter is having some early success in the majors.

It's not a dig, it's showing the truth. With Yamamoto doing well with Miami, he's on here telling everyone how he proclaimed Yamamoto was the piece that terrified him at the thought of losing when the Yelich trade was made. He said nothing of the sort. In general, everyone here should rest comfortably that the trade was a slam dunk, a home run. Even if all 4 Marlins end up contributing as major leaguers, we don't need people being revisionist about the deal. The Brewers got more than they possibly could have asked for. It's actually quite astonishing given what Yelich has accomplished that people are still looking back in fear at what was given up.

It only took around 20 pages and approximately a dozen posts to finally detect some mild disappointment in losing Yamamoto... Terrified indeed.

Seems revisionist. These were your first 3 posts in reaction to the trade.... If Yamamoto was the piece that terrified you, surely you would have talked about the pitching he would give the Marlins in 2-3 years. Looks like he wasn't included in your group of rising arms either. Just the positives of Yelich, no caution about the loss of Yamamoto. Not one mention of the guy you were "terrified" was included. You went so far as to say no TOP ARMS were included. So Yamamoto wasn't a top arm in your mind then?

Given how skeptical people were of Hiura (a much higher rated prospect than any of Diaz, Yamamoto, Harrison) I find it pretty amusing that suddenly all three are a shoo-in to be significant MLB contributors. I'd bet on all 4 combined prospects not reaching 25 career WAR. It's way to early to be throwing around some of the recent comments off of one Jordan Yamamoto start. The Brewers almost assuredly fleeced the Marlins. Not because they didn't give up quality prospects but because no one thought Yelich was going to turn into prime Barry Bonds.

Realistic? Realistic for Hiura is up by June this year solely to maintain control for one additional year and instantly be the 3rd best bat on the team. JMB, you've said similar things in the past including prior to this MVP showing in the AFL and it's apparent you just don't have a feel for just how special this bat is. If service time was a non issue he'd be in the opening day lineup.

Yeah, this is right in line with what people were saying. No one was calling for the latter.