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From 2016-2019 Chase friggin Anderson was the #2 starter twice and the #3 starter twice. And Junior Guerra was in the rotation 3 straight years! Zach Davies was the #1 starter twice in that span. And that was right in the midst of when the team came the closest to only its second World Series. How do people forget so easily. A lesser manager easily might only get those squads to the playoffs once in these past 9 years.

Oh really, not even once, huh. Here are the rotations he's had and their ERAs... 2016: Nelson (4.62) Davies (3.97) Chase Anderson (4.39) Wily Peralta (4.86) Junior Guerra (2.81) Matt Garza (4.51) 2017: Davies (3.90) Nelson (3.49) Anderson (2.74) Garza (4.94) Suter (3.42) Guerra (5.12) 2018: Chacin (3.50) Anderson (3.93) Guerra (4.09) Suter (4.44) Miley (2.57) F Peralta (4.25) Counsell took that 2018 collection of aces to 96 wins and 1 game shy of the WS 2019: Davies (3.55) Anderson (4.21) Woodruff (3.62) Houser (3.72) Chacin (5.79) Gio Gonzalez (3.50) 2020: Woodruff (3.05) Burnes (2.11) Houser (5.30) Anderson (4.21) Lindblom (5.16) - 50 game season where the team batted .223 The past 3 years (2021-2023) Counsell has had some very fine rotations to work WITH but that's also exactly when the lineups went south batting .233 in '21, .235 in '22 and .240 in 2023 When the arms in the rotation arrived (2020), the lineup had everyday players like the following dragging the team down... 2020: Navarez .176 Smoak .186 Hiura .212 Sogard .209 Yelich .205 Ben Gamel .237 2021: Vogelbach .219 Yelich .248 Bradley Jr .163 Urias .249 2022: Caratini .199 Tellez .219 Adames .238 Jace Peterson .236 Taylor .233 McCutchen .237 2023: Turang .218 Adames .217 Anderson .226 Wiemer .204 Winker .199 So like I said, HE'S ALWAYS EITHER HAD A COBBLED TOGETHER ROTATION OR A PIECED TOGETHER LINEUP. Not one single year where he had a good to great lineup paired with a good to great rotation or vice versa. Yet he's taken those squads to 5 PLAYOFFS. But you could simply have a memory and I shouldn't have had to plot all of this out. Again, goldfish-like memories.

It's like people think Counsell has had some juggernaut roster every year. Go look at some of the rosters he's had in his time here. It's always been a pieced together rotation or a cobbled together lineup - one or the other. The Brewers have had 5 managers who took the team to the postseason. Counsell has more playoff seasons that the other 4 managers combined. Not only that but you all literally have the other teams who want to interview him as input as to what other MLB people think of him. Hopefully this is just about setting the market, which he indeed will. Counsell is worth more than some middle reliever, getting more out of his rosters than even the Brewers own modeling expects. But what's really hilarious are the people that think he's just a analytic robot who can replaced by another stats guy who will get the same result. Goldfish-like memories around here

People are literally colliding while running wrong routes as well as TEs blocking the wrong defender but you do you

Some pretty strong and definitive conclusions being drawn about a young and inexperienced team that is performing exactly like most young and inexperienced teams tend to perform. Especially regarding this offense. Do yourself a favor and look up the 2021 Detroit Lions and see how that young team fared with veteran QB Jared Goff at the helm.

Surely none of these people downplaying Marquette's relevance will be on the bandwagon if they make a deep run in the NCAA tournament

The team that won the NBA title just over 2 years ago? Those Bucks?

What's wild about that is apparently said poster doesn't think Counsell played any role in those bullpens being so good. I guess bringing along pitchers people never heard of, who did nothing elsewhere, and turning them into high leverage late inning relievers was Brewers magic! And the fact that it was in response to the notion that Stearns might see an edge in hiring a manager who excels at winning tight games but said poster believed New York doesn't have a Milwaukee level bullpen so therefore Stearns probably isn't interested in paying Counsell, is the highest of comedy. As though the Mets can't go out and put together a strong bullpen the same way he built them here but with more money. Somehow that post was liked by 3 people. My presumption is that downplaying the effectiveness of Counsell is some sort of defense mechanism at that prospect of losing him. Either that or people have forgotten how bad some previous Brewers managers were.

Possibly. I guess the point is that it goes against logic to assume an analytics person would completely take an unanalytic approach to choosing a manager. What's Stearns approach going to be if not analytic? Who gives the best pregame speeches? Counsell is already well known to be very analytic and statistics driven, so he's already got a leg up there in matched approach. The next logical step for a decision maker like Stearns is running analysis at who does it best. And by one measure (1 run games) Counsell is the best ever at it.

OR maybe Stears sees that Counsell owns the best record of any manager in MLB history in 1 run games and decides he vastly underpaid no matter what the penny equivalent a record breaking salary amounts to for Cohen. Why would Stearns even calculate the dollar aspect of it? Manager salary doesn't even factor into team payroll and tax. Finding an edge at manager would be free. Counsell is 212-161 as a manager in 1 run games (+51) which over 9 seasons means about 5.67 wins over .500 per season. An analytics person might equate that into a similar calculation to WAR (wins above replacement) figuring that Counsell is worth 5.5 wins above a typical manager. If an analytics person chooses to look at Counsell in that light, he'd be vastly underpaid even if he becomes the highest paid manager in the game. Of course not everyone will agree to weigh things that way, but when it's just the owner's money and doesn't affect the team payroll or tax, why not look for that statistical edge at manager? Almost seems silly to suggest that an analytics person wouldn't apply the same approach to everything, including and even especially manager.

What an ugly and unfortunate situation. Of course a 2 year deal immediately springs to mind but it should just as quickly be dismissed. No matter how little you pay Woody to rehab in 2024, the amount you're paying him in 2025 will still be too high. He's not going to just spring back to pitching 200 innings and making 30 starts. And that's before even contemplating if he's going to be as effective as he has been before. If Woodruff is ever going to be a top of rotation starter again, it will be 2026 at the earliest, after a season of building up his arm and pushing an innings limit. If you then explore a 3 year deal, now you're committing 3 years of real dollars to a guy who may never return to top form. And what's to say Woodruff even wants to do a 3 year deal at a figure well below what he was projected for before the injury? So when you accept that 2024 is completely lost, 2025 is at best a build back year, and 2026 is probably something neither side even wants to discuss, what's the point? It's all risk with next to zero upside.

You thought wrong because you assumed my throwaway comment about CC possibly leaving due to knowledge Mark A is selling meant that I was changing my timeline. And I linked my comment showing it doesn't impact the timeline at all. To me, it's really about (and has always been about) having the stadium funding deal done. Again, I'm sorry this speculation has harmed you so much.

You thought wrong... Ya know for someone seemingly so offended by someone's personal speculation to the extent you've stalked me now 3 separate times to combat it, you aren't very good at remembering what it was that was speculated. And as also speculated if Mark A had let it be known possibly 1-2 years back to people in the Brewers organization his intent to sell once the future of the stadium was locked up, it would actually align well with recent departures and Counsell's non-committal. I'm sorry that my own musings of how well positioned the team would be to sell once the stadium deal is complete, offends you so much.

Maybe Counsell wants to wait and see who the new owner is No different than speculating on if he hates Stearns, loves Arnold, hates Arnold, or loves Stearns

One at bat and injured again, don't think we'll have to worry about Winker anymore

I get it with Winker but the real pessimism should be how bad the whole team is vs Gallen. They need to squeeze out any decent matchup they can get against him. Just hope Winker has one good game in him. It might be his only start of the postseason regardless of advancement.

I wouldn't guarantee it but yeah I'd bet on Winker being the DH in the lineup tomorrow

The sample size is extremely small but that has never stopped Counsell before. Winker is on the roster so he can be in the lineup tomorrow vs Zac Gallen whom he's reached base on 3 out of 4 ABs. The Brewers as a team have really ugly numbers against him. Mitchell is one of the few who also had good ABs vs Gallen so it must be the hesitancy to slide with him is all I can come up with.

How often do playoff teams have a surprise major injury on the eve of the first round? Two times in a row for the Brewers doesn't seem fair.

Uhh, this quote from Attanasio isn't reassuring at all... https://theathletic.com/4918707/2023/10/02/milwaukee-brewers-success-mark-attanasio-playoffs/ Mark talking about CC contemplating challenges elsewhere doesn't seem to be something that would be said out loud with no basis

The Bucks flaws on offense have stopped their playoff runs for the entirety of the Giannis era save for one season when they made just enough plays of defense, led by Jrue and Tucker, to squeeze out a title. You could either keep trying to thread that needle or you could become a undefendable juggernaut on the offensive end by acquiring a closer who needs to be guarded out to 30 feet and opens everything up in the paint for your franchise player. Doesn't seem like a tough call at all. This is a much easier path than needing to make outrageous defensive stops in the final minute of multiple games.

Marlins might just slide right past the Dbacks and leave the Brewers with a matchup vs Arizona. Miami holds the tiebreaker between the two. And suddenly the Reds are in the picture as well

Nice to have company on this wagon

Turns out Allen got injured in practice this week and almost didn't play. They eased him into the game and left it up to how he felt in determining how much action he'd get. But by all means, don't let that stop anyone from jumping to wild conclusions about transferring or not being able to play in the NFL.

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