Turning2
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There is always a chance. The odds are extremely and unfairly long for a small market team like MIL, but a slim chance always exists. Just having a small market franchise reach the championship series over other big market teams with unlimited spending restraints indicates that. I joked before about an injury bug, but it could happen. If one of the Dodgers starters blew an elbow during the series, or takes a come backer that knocks him out, or if a couple of their big bats are in a slump or someone blows a hammy. Weird things happen. It's ridiculous that a small market would need things like that to occur as well as taking care of their own business in order to win it all, ... but a chance always exists. A key thing is your "big guys" can't disappear in the big games. One player might make 5X the $$$ of another guy, but that doesn't mean he has 5X the talent. There is not that much talent difference in relation to salary. At some point, the small market stars need to step up and play big in the big moments.
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Pretty sure I heard league average batting average is around .235. In two seasons as a starter, he is just a tick over and below that. But to my eyes (I don't do metrics), he is among the top defensive SS in the league. Probably the best defensive SS they have in the organization (did not see Turang when playing SS in the minors however). Regardless, I think Ortiz' arm is stronger than Turang's. In limited games and highlights I've seen of Pratt, Made, Pena in the minors, none of them have wowed me yet. Ortiz' range, glove, arm wows me. Agree with a previous comment about he hasn't been the same at the plate since the neck injury. Maybe that explains the back half of '24. Last year he switched from 3B to SS. Possibly that extra pressure and responsibility affected his bat. Guys start pressing when they're slumping. It snowballs. Maybe that explains his offense and swing decisions from last year. Maybe not. Either way, I'm not ready to give up on him. If he could get to the .240+ range with a dozen HRs, and maintaining his defense I could live with that. If we get to June, he's healthy, and we see the same struggles, then I think we know what we need to know.
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2025-26 Offseason Around the League Thread
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2025-26 Offseason Around the League Thread
Turning2 replied to sveumrules's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
At first glance, that sounds like a decent solution, especially from the perspective of the pro-salary cap camp. The players would most likely view it as a de-facto salary cap dressed in a different set of clothes. Players entering first time free agency around age 31-32 when some still have a little gas in the tank. Big money teams would still spend crazy $$ for them if that was the only way to buy championships. But it would give the low budget teams more years to try and build a championship team too. If LA, NY, BOS, PHI etc could only load up their rosters with 31-32 year olds who might quickly decline, and had to be more dependent upon trades and farm system development, it might level out the playing field to some degree. -
That's what they are selling publicly. Doesn't mean it's true. It's all gamesmanship and posturing. But I agree, they are much more likely to hold him than they were with the other two due to the bargain price and productivity.
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If they are privately set on trading Peralta, I hope they haven't overplayed their hand. The leverage might be dwindling. I still say, keep him and trade some prospects and roster bubble guys as possible for a meaningful OF bat.
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Peralta, Woodruff, Priester, Mis = likely top 4 Henderson, Patrick, Ashby, Hall, Gasser, Meyers are 6 more viable for 5 spot in the rotation. Plus guys like Crow and a few on the farm. Either they believe in these guys, or they are exaggerating how great our young pitching is. Probably a little of both. Sure, you can never have enough pitching, but at some point, you need more slug too. Pitching, team speed and elite defense isn't getting them to the WS. They won a lot of games, they scored a lot of runs in 2025, but it was clearly not enough. Nobody wants division championships to be our WS.
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Yes, that could be a possibility. It also might mean they aren't convinced Mis can anchor the top when both Woody and Peralta are gone.
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What does it say if the trade brings back a starter and prospects rather than a proven MLB bat? We’re always told how great our farm system is and how much promising young pitching they have. That should mean we don’t need more pitching and prospects. If moving Peralta doesn’t bring in a bat, the hype about the farm and young pitching is partially BS.
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Agreed. This team seems allergic to pursuing proven big-league bats when they have trade leverage.
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Coming from a home with split loyalties, I saw a fair amount of Bader last year. If he could replicate last year's performance, that could be a decent pickup, if not a major needle mover.
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Hope you're right. Regularly trading proven "birds in the hand" for multiple developing players is bound to catch up with them.
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They should keep Freddy. History says they probably won't. Keeping in the spirit of the article, I would say trade for Duran and equivalent prospect value. Freddy is a $20 million ace playing for $8 million, so a trade needs to account for that. If not Duran, possibly Abreu. Or trade for something equivalent to those scenarios. Bottom line - they need a bigger bat that can also play CF if need be. How about get really crazy - keep Freddy, trade prospects and a decent mid rotation guy like Patrick for Duran. Then offer Eugenio Suarez a Hoskins like deal (2 year) with incentives. That upgrades the offense and power at 3B and CF for about $26-$28 million additional spending. It moves Ortiz to a utility role, maintains solid SS defense by pushing Turang over, and keeps Durbin in the lineup at 2B.. all while maintaining a solid 1-2 in Peralta and Woody with an ascending Mis and Priester in 3 and 4. It's good to have dreams as a small market fan... LOL.
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Not necessarily Brewer specific, but how about a story on the history of the South American winter leagues and how they relate to MLB franchises. Who pays players like Chourio and other established big leaguers when they are playing ball down there? Do those teams need to get permission from the MLB franchise that own the rights to the players? What is the incentive for a team like MIL to risk a guy like Chourio to play over the winter? What happens if a star player gets seriously injured screwing around in a non MLB affiliated league? (or is there some affiliation?) etc etc. Then maybe a list on the top ten Brewers whose MLB careers clearly advanced or benefitted from having played in a winter ball league?
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Yes, possibly. But back on point, those numbers would make him the Brewers best CF option ahead of Chourio. But until he outperforms JC in those offensive stats AND is available, he is not. I'm hoping they don't screw around gambling on Mitchell, and go trade for an upgrade who doesn't have a laundry list of injuries in his past. Chourio, upgraded CF bat with reasonable defense, and Frelick as the preferred starting OF would be very solid.
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But he is the "first best" all around CF when you factor in offense and availability. That only changes if Mitchell were to stay healthy and hit approximately .260 and 20+HRs OR they trade for a proven bat in CF.
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Unless they trade for someone, he is easily their best all around CF, meaning defense + offense. We have a good feel for Perkins ceiling at the plate, and we know Mitchell is always a health risk, so neither can or should be counted on.
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Will The Brewers’ Winter Ever Heat Up?
Turning2 replied to Jason Wang's topic in Brewer Fanatic Front Page News
If possible, I would have moved Perkins rather than Collins in that deal. Zerpa as a replacement for Mears might work out. Might not. Time will tell. MIL has a track record of finding guys like Zerpa and squeezing short term production out of them, so I'll defer to them on that move. Maybe Zerpa is more a replacement for a possible move of Ashby rather than Mears? Who knows... The only acquisition I've seen suggested that seems to align, and meet needs for both parties, is Jarren Duran. I was lukewarm on him initially. But I'm beginning to see a player like that might be among the most legitimate upgrade options a small market team can reasonably expect to acquire. -
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Sure, doing something, anything just to do it or to appease the fans is ill advised. At the same time, the fans pay for part of the bills. That can't be ignored either. From separate deals, they swapped Collins out for Baddoo. Pretty much a wash at best by the looks of it, if not an outright downgrade. The OF depth they should have moved was Perkins in my opinion. But that's irrelevant. Move Collins or move Perkins, neither move matters if a real bat for the OF isn't additionally acquired. OF combinations of Chourio, Frelick Perkins, Mitchell, Lockridge, Baddoo, Yelich, Berroa, Bauers are less than inspiring. -
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Or so we're told. We're about to find out in the next 2-5 years if the current crop hype is legit or not. For small market budgets, it's always a carrot on the stick, a hope and a prayer. Maybe a new CBA installs a reasonable cap and floor to make MLB competition more legitimate. -
Will The Brewers’ Winter Ever Heat Up?
Turning2 replied to Jason Wang's topic in Brewer Fanatic Front Page News
Bargain bin baseball for better or worse. That’s the reality of the situation they’re forced into. Small markets are little more than a feeder system.

