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Multiple trades coming for salary relief??
Turning2 replied to Klantz27's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Sure, there are different tiers of patsies. The Brewers' front office usually at least tries to be competitive enough to sell loads of merch and tickets while hoping for the planet to align where they actually win a WS. That's my point. To achieve that "usually trying" merit this offseason means they upgrade either SS or CF in my view. But let's not kid ourselves, the big market teams are all that matter to MLB INC. Teams like the Brewers are viewed simply as fodder for the "real teams" to play. -
Multiple trades coming for salary relief??
Turning2 replied to Klantz27's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Hoping you are correct regarding CF. I maintain the stance that they must upgrade the offensive output from either SS or CF. That does not include gambling on Mitchell being a relevant factor. Personally, I'm fine with keeping Ortiz' elite defense and upgrading Perkins dismal offense in exchange for perhaps lesser defense in CF. Who is available, how could they be acquired? I don't know all the possibilities. A recent "Locked On Brewers" episode suggested a trade involving Perralta / Jarren Duran. Taking away pitching to upgrade CF is a wash in my mind. They would be dealing from a strength and gambling that Woody remains healthy and effective, and that Mis is ready to be a #2 (I don't think he is). A status quo approach at both positions equals an admission from management that they are just an MLB version of the patsy teams the Harlem Globetrotters or Savannah Bananas play to showcase the "stars". -
"A king's ransom or don't waste my time". Or in some marketplace terminology... "don't lowball me, I know what I've got". That would be my response if I was Arnold. When then traded for Mears, it seemed like a "meh" move. That's on me because I don't follow all the teams enough to know who many of the players are. Most of them are obscure to me. It seemed like an odd trade at the time. But Mears has won me over. I think he got overused and faded at the end in '25. That's on the starters or Murph being too quick on the trigger getting to the pen. Regardless, when other teams come to MIL inquiring about players, the leverage is MIL's. We have the supply, and you have the demand - they should press the hell out of that for MAX value. That will scare teams off. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. Price yourself out of people coming to chip at your armor isn't the worst option in the right circumstances. If you want it bad enough..... it's going to cost you. Send a message to the scavengers - we're elite at the moment, not a junker car to be parted out.
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The only thing MIL needs is more offensive pop. They are on the doorstep of a WS berth. Now is not the time to continue building for the future, parlaying proven talent for (multiple) pieces of potential talent or nominal contributors. For as much as this team leans on its BP I'd keep Megill. I don't care who is the 8th inning setup and who handles the 9th. And I'd keep Peralta too unless a trade brings back a real, proven power bat (with no asterisks like coming off an injury, or a former "name" but now declining, or a reclamation etc.)
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It doesn't take long for that to happen, fair or not. I hope the org doesn't give up on him before he at least has 1 full healthy season of ABs. He's the only potential regular 30+HR power bat in the system aside from maybe Burke in my view. This team only has a few "big" guys. Luke Adams gets overlooked, but maybe he emerges as that type of guy, or possibly Bitonti or Fischer. But for now, I'm fixed on Wilken and Burke.
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I hold out hope that Wilken has a summer that forces everyone to account for him in respect to future IF arrangements. Fluke injuries and K's have not served him well. A future with Burke and Wilken as a corner power hitting tandem for several years would be largely unprecedented for MIL. And Turang, Pratt, Made, Pena can compete for the middle. More realistically, somebody is going to get traded out of that bunch regardless of how Wilken pans out.
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If the shoe was on the other foot, and everything else being equal, would the Brewers be expecting to receive 3 major league level pitchers in return? Granted, they are relievers currently, but Ash and Gas have (or had?) projections of being starters. The Brewers would probably get something like a utility player, a nominal arm and maybe a red chip prospect. If Duran is the most viable trade target available to add some (not much) offensive punch, then explore it, But, maybe try to deal from some prospect depth instead of 3 BP arms all at once. And, no way should Peralta be part of the deal. I have zero expectations that Woody stays healthy all year. Trading Peralta for a bat and then losing Woody would essentially nullify the gain in offense in my view. They need to upgrade either Ortiz or Perk. Personally, I would lean towards the latter and keep the gold glove-esque defense at SS. Maybe trading for Duran is a path towards that. The possibility was covered a few weeks ago when Chuck Freimund did a crossover "Locked On..." with the Red Sox channel on Youtube. (not sure if linking to other content is OK here??)
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Dude has had some crazy bad luck. Wonder how he managed to stay mostly healthy through all his other levels of ball. The thought from various posts the past year seems to be that Type 1 leads to being more fragile, less durable. If that is medically accurate, one assumes the Brewers would have known that prior to drafting him. Maybe they gambled on his health holding up regardless.
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No, The Brewers' Payroll Is Not A Problem
Turning2 replied to Frisbee Slider's topic in Brewer Fanatic Front Page News
Yep, offseason fluff. But it generates subject matter for second hand media like BF and countless other amateur sites and YouTube channels. I enjoy having something to read, even if 99% is just dudes who created their own outlets without any official MLB contacts to quote. It’s a cottage industry. -
As Braun descended, Yelli rose. It's time for them to acquire someone for Yeli to pass the baton to as he rides out the last of his contract... and yeah, it just might cost a good bundle during that transition. With any luck, maybe they could persuade Yelich to waive the no trade if the trading partner and conditions were right in 2028. Personally, I believe adding another proven power bat alongside Yeli would do wonders for this team. Having two guys in the lineup providing a mutual protection situation is a must. Chourio is great, but he's probably not the new Yeli. Maybe another 2-3 years we will see him become a regular 28-35 HR type power bat. Until then, they have to buy another big bat if they want to be taken seriously. Speed and defense make for fun, everyday small ball W's in the regular season. But it's quite clear that you are highly unlikely to win a championship with that recipe.
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So, there is room for improvement. LOL. Third most feels a bit deceptive. That lineup never scared anyone except during a couple of hot streaks. It limped along at the end when it mattered the most. Regardless, they scored what they scored. I was entertained. But they still need another solid bat to go along with young guys continuing to improve.
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They can't live with an offensive black hole at both SS and CF. And they can't count on Mitchell. Either Ortiz or Perk have to be upgraded stellar defense be damned. I think they can win with either of those as an everyday player, but not both. If I had to do either or, I'd keep Ortiz at SS and pursue an OF with more to bring to the plate. But I'm an old SS, so perhaps I'm biased in valuing excellent defense at the position.
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It seems we all share the same general opinion of Collins - older guy who probably hit his ceiling, had a career year. Solid piece, if probably not a preferred OF starter. Would love to be wrong though. I'd be content if he became a .260ish, 12-15 HR type guy. Overall, I don't think they can afford to be fielding both Collins and Perkins on a regular basis though. One or the other, possibly both, has to be a back up. Of course, some of that hinges upon the great unknown of Mitchell's availability for the entire season. That's a gamble I don't think they should take. That means either Collis or Perk probably get bounced.
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My point is the current economic/competitive imbalance results in forcing small market teams into a relatively perpetual "carrot on a stick" operational mode. The organizations know their hands are tied so they market their farm systems. I would wager Dodger, Yankee, Mets, Phillies fans are much less excited for the arrival of their prospects year after year than Brewer fans because their orgs don't have to hype their farms system like MIL has to. They do have an intriguing group of prospects no doubt. I'm excited about many of them. But they won't all turn into MLB caliber players let alone star players. Teams like MIL need the planets align and have 7-8 young guys all be difference makers at the same time before MIL can't afford them.
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They are a franchise that relies on constantly selling fans on future prospects. The next wave of marketable optimism arrives in 2027/28 depending on the lockout. They aren't going to tie up big money making bold moves for 2026 with the potential lockout and plenty of prospects to keep fans drunk on hopium. In a couple years, Pratt, Made, Wilken, Burke, Adams will be up and then we will say, "well, they're young, they did pretty good this year considering.... just wait until they mature". By that time, most of the current young guys we're waiting to reach their prime (Turang, Frelick, Contreras, Durbin) will be moving on, and the Groundhog Day cycle starts anew. It's not the management's fault. Blame MLB and the Players' Union for this garbage.
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They can’t go into 2026 with two glove only pieces in the lineup. Either Ortiz or Perkins has to be upgraded. Both are special talents on defense, but you just will continue to come up short with two glaringly weak hitters in the regular lineup. I expect nothing from Mitchell, and hope for the best with him. Any contribution from him is gravy.
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Burke looks like the prize out of that. Hope it translates to the bigs when he arrives. DL Hall did provide some quality long, middle inning relief, and with so many other starting arms, I'd be fine if that was his role.
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I may catch an inning or two, but generally, I really couldn't care less. Baseball is a sham competition once the small market teams are duly eliminated. Best thing might be total domination by the Dodgers to show just how silly the unlevel playing field truly is. I would rather watch Brewers prospects in the AZ Fall League if I had access to it.
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I want a proven power hitter in his prime or no deal. That probably means … no deal, and that’s fine. They have too much youth already, and several solid prospects on the farm, don’t really need more multiple prospects.
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Brewers (Quintana) vs Dodgers (Ohtani): 10/17/25, 7:38pm
Turning2 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
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Brewers (Quintana) vs Dodgers (Ohtani): 10/17/25, 7:38pm
Turning2 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
Quintana needs to put somebody on their can. They are way too comfortable in the box.

