The average NL starter this year has an ERA of 3.94. Peralta and Nelson are right about there at this point of the season (Fiers was as well). Jungmann has, obviously, beat that this year, but I'm thinking some regression is in order. If he settles into this area as well, I think that's realistic. I also think Garza can get back to this zone area well, but that's me. If he can, I think that gives us four guys who are averageish - some maybe above average. That's not bad. If the fifth spot (Thornburg, Cravy, Davies or whomever) can be respectable - 4.00-4.50 ERA - it's a solid rotation - right about league average. Some players are likely to do a little better, but some will do a little worse. Plus there are injuries that will result in some lesser players get starts. In the end, it's probably more of an average rotation. Of course, the team and fans may see some of these players as more than average or a little better than average. I don't think it's out of the question that Peralta or Nelson or Jungmann take a step forward and become more of a #2 type pitcher and produce a 3.20 ERA next year (on the flip side, I don't think it's out of the question for Garza to have a 5.00 ERA next year). It's the simple nature of pitching. An average pitcher has a good year and produces like a #2. Or has an off year and produces like a #4. Nature of the beast. The bullpen is pitching well. Not outstanding, like KC's or St. Louis' pen (whose relievers have produce a sub-2.50 ERA) - but good (our bullpen ERA is 3.33 - 12th in the majors). The NL average is 3.46. If we can maintain that solid relieving - even improve, there's the potential for a solid staff. With a little luck, we could even be better than average. It's something to build on. I still feel we lack top-of-the-rotation starters. I would have loved to have added a couple of prospects with big arms at the deadline, but it just wasn't in the cards. Gomez would have been the big trade chip for that to happen, so unless we deal Lucroy for one, we are probably stuck with what we have. Again, there's nothing wrong with what we have - inexpensive, solid players with room to improve. An average, or slightly above average, pitching staff needs the offense to be above average. That is probably a ways away - but that's a different thread. I think it's okay to let the guys play out, see if anyone steps. I don't think we are going to win next year, so let the players development. Maybe a couple of guys emerge as a top-of-the-rotation force. Let's find out, and later next year and in 2017 some of our more promising position players will start to arrive. Arcia, Phillips, Reed, Taylor, etc. - these guys can hopefully transform things on the offensive side. Add in a lack of big salaries, and you can potentially fill some holes in free agency.