I'm VERY torn about Andre. I first got into baseball in '87 and the one cable channel with baseball that I had was WGN ...naturally, I was a Cubs fan and Andre Dawson was my favorite player. Didn't hurt that he's a class act...he remains my all-time favorite. If you had asked me when he retired whether he deserved to go in, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Now, though, I've been educated along with everybody else about more advanced stats, I've learned about park factors and the relatively weakness of his '87 MVP ...about the value of taking a walk... and I'm not so sure. Here's how I see it. If you're a "small HOF" proponent, there's no way he's in. Then again, you want to exclude half the people who are in already. If you're of the inclusive sort, Rice, Dawson, maybe even Murphy go in. Unfortunately most of us fall in the middle somewhere. What makes Andre so hard to judge, as many previous posters have suggested, is how to account for a) his relatively lack of notoriety during his playing days, especially his best ones in Montreal, and b) his injuries. If he was in fact a stellar defensive CF (some metrics dispute that, but I don't know enough to really come down on one side or the other) for all that time in Montreal, along with the power and speed, it seems like that might push him over the top. CF defense is SO important, that the value of somebody like him or Bernie or Jim Edmonds is substantially increased because their production is coming from that spot. (Now, I don't want to open the can of worms on either of those guys' future with HOF voting). Then his injuries come into play. I think it's reasonable to say that if he hadn't had so many problems with turf and had to work so hard just to get out on the field every day, he would've played center for a lot longer. That, more than anything, is how the injuries complicate things for me. If he had put up his career numbers as an average-or-better CF, it'd be a lock. But as a corner OF, it's a different story. Fair? Maybe not. I don't think the notoriety should matter much in making a judgment, but you know it does with many of the voters. I have no doubt that if Dawson had played for a perennial contender AND been a gregarious guy, he would've been ushered in Puckett-style by now. But so many arguments have to come down to this 400 HR / 2500 H, 300 SB thing, which does put him in incredible company. Yep, great, but the other guys who did it were so much better, in so many ways. Ultimately, it shows Dawson is a guy who did a lot of things very well, and his package of talents was rare to all come in one person. But he was never a really great player. Obviously from my comments so far, I'm totally on the fence. If I had a BBWAA vote, I'd probably say yes. The stathead in me has to say no in order to be consistent with all the other guys I know I need to say no to. Tough call all around. --- www.BrewCrewBall.com