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MooseJaw in the Dells has a pretty good Taco pizza. I suggest getting the thin crust though, as the thick crust is too much dough. That's funny, the best taco pizza I ever had was from the Moosejaw Resort in Park Falls. No relation to the dells though. But they got new owners maybe 10 years ago and I don't think they even make one anymore.

That horse is still twitching. You keep on beating that thing until it's a pulp! Let me ask you, are you satisfied with the rotation right now?? Is it division winning quality to you?? I'll hang up and listen to your answer Dude, you keep saying you want a TOR arm but have you even proposed a plausible trade to obtain one? It's been made abundantly clear that the Mets are nuts and have an insane asking price on Thor. Who knows if Burnes, Hiura, and Turang would even get it done (I definitely would not be making that trade).

That's fine if you believe that but why? There's questions marks with all four guys we gave up and potentially, none of them could pan out. Sure, there's a chance all of them pan out but how likely is that? The point is, if you're going to make a blanket statement like he got "taken to the cleaners", at least expand on why you think so. For me, I think both sides win. Not every trade needs to have a winner and a loser. Of course one side might "win" a little more but both sides can benefit. We sent a lot of talent out but also a lot of risk. If Yelich performs like he has without even improving, and one of the guys we sent reaches his potential, I think it's a win-win for both. Hardly being "taken to the cleaners."

Just curious, but why did you get into it then?

Yeah I do the "thank you" emails to follow up. The only time I didn't was when I received a phone call the same day after an initial interview asking for a second interview. The initial interview was with the main woman's assistant and then she wanted to interview me as well. But like I said, I emailed and called and she kept dodging me, intentionally or not. I was told twice by her that she would call me at a certain time and she never did. Then when I called back, she was busy. And she never responded to a single email either.

So I had an interview a few weeks ago for a paralegal position. The guy who interviewed me was really impressed with my resume and said they were looking for someone to fill this position quickly. Because I actually have my law degree, he said that I should be able to pick up on things rather quickly despite having little experience. He said they had actually hired someone for the position but had to let him go after he lied about his skills. He told them he knew how to use a computer but actually didn't know how to type or even get on the internet. I took a typing test (85 or so WPM) so he said it should be no problem. He told me he had one more interview lined up but it was just a formality and that I was at the top of his list and he just needed to run it by his boss (who works in a different office/state). When he was giving me a tour, he made comments like "this will be your desk" and just stuff that made it seem like I was a given. He said he should have the go-ahead within a day and then they would just need to run a background check so I would be starting sometime in the next 7-10 days. Later that day, I got a call from someone asking if I wanted to do a contract job for a week or so that would've been the week I was starting. I told them I was waiting to hear back from a job and they said to contact them if it didn't work out. A few days passed and I didn't hear anything so I emailed the guy on a Friday and he said he would know by Monday. So I ended up not hearing anything from him that week so I emailed him again the next week and didn't hear from that either. That was a week and a half ago. This week I received an email from HR saying they were going to continue their search for a candidate who better fit their needs. I also saw the ad re-posted on a job board. I never received a response from the guy who interviewed me. I'm really pissed because he made it seem like the job was basically mine and then he never responded to me. He also said they were in a big hurry to fill the position because the work was stacking up but yet they are still looking for the right candidate, even though he said I was more than qualified. I also ended up missing out on the contract job because I thought I would be working for them. It sucks because this isn't the first time that I've felt really good after an interview, only to be turned down. It also isn't the first time that someone has refused to email me back about a position. I had a person who wanted to interview me a second time a few months ago but everytime I called or emailed, she never responded or called back. I tried to contact her 4 times to set up another interview but finally gave up. I also don't think it had anything to do with a background check because I just had one run on me in May for a volunteer job. I'm just wondering if anyone has had similar experiences. Are HR people or interviewers really this insensitive? These weren't huge firms or anything that I've interviewed at either so I thought they would be a little more personal. I understand if I don't get a job but I also don't like not hearing anything or worse, being told I basically got the job and then not hearing anything. Its just frustrating because I thought going to law school would have been a good thing. But here I am, 2 years later with no job and almost $100k in debt.

You could also put in some volunteer work with any kind of charity; that'd look very good on a resume, & you might wind up making some more contacts from it too. Given your comments/situation, if there's anywhere you could work to help provide pro bono or significantly discounted legal services, maybe that'd be worth exploring. Sorry if I'm just saying things here you already know http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gifI've contacted a few volunteer legal aid places in Milwaukee. Most of them even want you to actually have experience in the legal industry because you'd be working cases on your own. There is one that said they would provide training/advice but they don't have any "openings" now and they would keep me in mind. As far as volunteering with a law firm, that technically isn't legal so I haven't really gotten anywhere with that. I might look into asking if I can "job shadow" for a bit or something and see if I find any openings with that. The lack of experience is the main thing holding me back, even with applying for jobs that "only" require a Bachelors degree. I can't really get a job without experience but I can't really get experience without the job. It's kind of a chicken and egg thing.

I've thought about that but I don't know what to say. I mean I obviously tried to get a job after my 2nd year of law school but didn't get any offers. And I've been trying since graduating. I don't wanna lie with an excuse but I also don't think it's a good idea to just come out and say nobody's wanted to hire me. If I had to do it all over again, I would probably rethink going to law school. A law degree isn't what it was 10 years ago. It's not even what it was 5 years ago. Have you thought about entering the Financial Services Industry? The JD would give you instant credibility in an industry that is sorely lacking. I worked as a "registered representative" for a major financial services firm my first year after out of college. The position was straight commission and I only earned about $18,000 after I paid my overhead business expenses (rent, utilities, marketing, etc). However, the training that I received was excellent and I was able to leverage the experience into a much better position with a competitor. It's relatively easy to become a "registered representative." In fact, I heard that the required training for a licensed massage therapist is far more extensive. Most firms will hire anyone who they feel can pass the FINRA Series 7 Exam, which is otherwise known as the General Securities Representative Exam or "stockbroker's license." While the firm often pays for your license and training, their risk is limited because the "registered representative" is paid based on their sales. If you are not effective, they do not have to pay you. However, if you are a self-motivated individual, your income potential is unlimited. Working in this capacity for a few years may enable you to obtain a position in the legal department of a financial services firm.You may even like the type of work that you are doing. I've been looking into the banking/financial industry a little the past couple of months. I've applied to a bunch of financial analyst jobs but have been mostly told that they are going with someone who better fits their needs. I'll look into the registered representative stuff a little more.

I've thought about that but I don't know what to say. I mean I obviously tried to get a job after my 2nd year of law school but didn't get any offers. And I've been trying since graduating. I don't wanna lie with an excuse but I also don't think it's a good idea to just come out and say nobody's wanted to hire me. If I had to do it all over again, I would probably rethink going to law school. A law degree isn't what it was 10 years ago. It's not even what it was 5 years ago.

I've been unemployed for about a year and a half now so I figured I might as well try my luck here. I graduated from UW Law School in May 2010 with a certified curricular concentration in estate planning. I've been looking for work in the legal field since. I've had a few interviews but no offers. I think one of my big problems is that I don't have any relevant work experience. I worked as a commercial roofer during the summers in college and then I graduated with a degree in Zoology. Then I roofed again when I graduated in 06 until I started law school in the fall of 07. My dad got me a job with his company in the summer of 08 doing various warehouse maintenance stuff but I was also able to do some OSHA safety research stuff there as well. So my big selling point (which isn't much) is that I was able to save the company some money by doing this OSHA stuff myself instead of having them contract someone else to do it, which they usually did. That was my last job. I know there are a few attorneys here so I was just wondering if anybody had any advice/contacts/etc. for me. Basically anything would be useful. My main areas of interest are estate planning or family law but I was also interested in real estate and contracts. The only thing I never really wanted to do was be a litigator. Because of my lack of experience, I would even start at a paralegal-type position or possibly even volunteer. I would also be interested in any other fields/positions (not necessarily in the legal field) that might be useful for someone with a JD or that might add experience I could use in a legal job down the road. I would appreciate any insight/advice/etc. from anyone. Thanks guys.