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Rattlers officially rained out, none of the stats count, game was as it never existed. No make-up date yet announced.

Rattlers down early and now in a rain delay, Chris didn't sound optimistic that play would resume.

Our own T-Rats make the list, it's wonderful to have them as part of the Brewer umbrella now. Merchandise sales third highest ever

I haven't read BP in years but please take the time to read the linked stories from this article, both are worthwhile. Youngest & Oldest Prospects In 2013 Draft

Wow some questions answered from Wisconsites, also some brief discussion of STL's prospect tandem. Ask BA: Twins Have Top Prospect Tandem

Pirates' 2B prospect Dilson Herrera is tabbed as a possible candidate. Monday Prospect Notebook: Marcus Stroman Returns For Blue Jays

Marten Gasparini, 15, Might Be Europe’s Best Prospect Ever

College Draft Prospects Stat Roundup: Week 14

No, I said the potential to be, Jungmann is clearly not the pitcher the Brewers billed him as, I've covered the issues with him ad-nauseum on the MiLB forum. You may not agree with that assessment which is fine, but I don't get any enjoyment out of continually repeating myself about Jungmann's future because it reads like I'm trashing the young man when that's not my intent. Topic orientated snipits from BA's scouting reports from this off season: Yes I believe pitchers with second tier fastballs and whom flash plus secondary pitches have the potential to be #2 starters. A statistical analysis of the pitchers is about 1/3 the story. Why would you throw Jungmann's stats back at me after I posted this last week? Like I somehow forgot what he throws and what his stat line is? Wouldn't the original thread have been a better spot for that discussion instead of recycling the same argument back here? And since you left him off, here's the relevant scouting report on Taylor Guerrieri: .

Some some interesting T-Rat factoids, additional notes on Wagner and Arcia, plus some sabermetric silliness. I think Chris has a bigger man crush on Orlando than I do, and that's saying something. Hard to figure – Postgame post for May 19, 2013

Rattlers can't come all the way back in Burlington Bees build 6-1 lead; hold on to beat Wisconsin 6-4 By Chris Mehring / Wisconsin Timber Rattlers BURLINGTON, IA - The Burlington Bees scored three times in the first inning and three times in the third inning to give them enough offense to defeat the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers 6-4 Sunday afternoon at Community Field. Wade Hinkle and Chevy Clarke had big hits in both innings for the Bees. Wisconsin (19-21) took the lead in the first inning. They had runners at the corners with no outs and Mitch Haniger grounded into a 6-4-3 double play to get the run home from third. But, the Bees (15-24) scored three in the bottom of the first inning. Sherman Johnson drew a leadoff walk on four pitches. Hinkle doubled him in with a one out double. Back-to-back walks loaded the bases and Clarke's infield single knocked in Hinkle for a 2-0 lead. Rattlers starting pitcher Tyler Wagner looked like he would get out of the inning with a double play after Zac Livingston sent a tapper back to the mound. Wagner's throw home got the force out, but the throw to first was wild and that allowed a run to score from second for a 3-0 advantage. Burlington tacked on three more runs via the home run in the bottom of the third. Wagner walked Kyle Johnson on four pitches to start the inning. Hinkle hit the next pitch to left-center for a home run and a 5-1 lead for Burlington. Two outs later Chevy Clarke hit a solo home run and the Bees were up 6-1. Wisconsin relievers Mike Strong and Martin Viramontes combined for five scoreless innings out of the bullpen to keep the Bees in check and give the bats a chance to get back into the game. The Rattlers chipped away to get close. Parker Berberet tripled to start the fourth inning. An RBI grounder by Chris McFarland drove in Berberet to cut the lead to 6-2. Orlando Arcia singled to start the fifth. He took second on a passed ball with one out. Mitch Haniger reached on two-out infield single and Arcia scored on an errant throw on the play. Later in the inning, Haniger scored on a wild pitch and the Rattlers were down only 6-4. In the top of the eighth, Victor Roache singled and Berberet doubled with one out to put the tying runs in scoring position against Burlington reliever Eduard Santos. But, Santos struck out the next two batters to end the Rattlers threat. Arcia doubled with one out in the top of the ninth against Burlington closer Jairo Diaz. But, Diaz got the final two outs to record his sixth save and send the Rattlers to their second straight loss. Berberet ended the day 3-for-4 and was only missing a home run for the cycle. Game four of the series is scheduled for Monday night. Damien Magnifico (4-0, 4.91) is the scheduled starting pitcher for the Timber Rattlers. Burlington has Alex Keudell (3-1, 2.49) set to start. Game time is 6:30pm. Tune in for the broadcast on AM1280, WNAM or timberrattlers.com starting with the Miller Lite Pregame Show at 6:10pm. HOME RUNS: BUR: Wade Hinkle (4th, 1 on in 3rd inning off Tyler Wagner, 0 out) Chevy Clarke (4th, 0 on in 3rd inning off Tyler Wagner, 2 out) WP: Ryan Crowley (3-1) LP: Tyler Wagner (4-2) SAVE: Jairo Diaz (6) TIME: 2:41 ATTN: 1,611 Wisconsin Boxscore Unfortunately it appears Tyler Wagner just didn't have it tonight. Orlando Arcia had 2 hits, his steady ascent back to respectability continues. The Rattlers only had 1 error, and I use "only" as in, "it's better than what I've come to expect". Mitch Haniger stole his 7th base and hasn't been caught once yet. Wisconsin Recap Odd play to end the first. Burlington Bottom of the 1st Sherman Johnson walks. Kyle Johnson flies out to right fielder Mitch Haniger. Wade Hinkle doubles (10) on a line drive to right fielder Mitch Haniger. Sherman Johnson scores. Michael Bolaski walks. Jonathan Walsh walks. Wade Hinkle to 3rd. Michael Bolaski to 2nd. Chevy Clarke singles on a ground ball to pitcher Tyler Wagner. Wade Hinkle scores. Michael Bolaski to 3rd. Jonathan Walsh to 2nd. Zac Livingston grounds into a double play, pitcher Tyler Wagner to catcher Brent Dean to right fielder Mitch Haniger to first baseman Parker Berberet to third baseman Jose Sermo. Michael Bolaski out at home on the throw. Jonathan Walsh scores. Chevy Clarke out at home on the throw. Throwing error by catcher Brent Dean.

Burlington beats Rattlers in eleven innings Bees spoil Rattlers comeback with 6-5 walkoff win By Chris Mehring / Wisconsin Timber Rattlers http://www.milb.com/assets/images/5/9/2/47959592/cuts/May_18_2013_ArciaHR_5rjbigc9_brjaxco2.jpg Rattlers manager Matt Erickson congratulates Orlando Arcia after his third inning home run at Burlington on May 18. GRAND CHUTE, WI - The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers fought back all Saturday night long against the Burlington Bees at Community Field. But, Wendell Soto took advantage of some late Wisconsin lapses to drive in the winning run on a bases loaded single in the bottom of the eleventh. Burlington edged the Rattlers 6-5. Burlington (14-24) scored twice in the bottom of the first inning. Sherman Johnson started the inning with a double. Kyle Johnson followed with a bunt single. The throw to first was wild and allowed the first Johnson to score and the second Johnson to take second base. Later in the inning, Michael Bolaski drove in Kyle Johnson with a sacrifice fly. Orlando Arcia cut the Bees lead in half with a solo home run in the top of the third inning. The Rattlers shortstop tagged a 2-2 pitch from Aaron Newcomb for his first homer of the season. But, Burlington answered with two runs in the bottom of the third. Soto singled, his first of three hits in the game, on a sinking line drive to center. Sherman Johnson was next and he doubled to deep center to drive in Soto to put the Bees up 4-1. Eric Semmelhack, Wisconsin's starting pitcher, settled in after those two runs by the Bees. He did not allow another hit and retired the last nine batters he faced to keep his team within striking distance. Alfredo Rodriguez got the Timber Rattlers (19-20) to within two runs in the top of the fifth inning. His RBI single scored Clint Coulter from second base. Arcia struck again in the top of the seventh inning. He singled with two outs to knock in Adam Giacalone to get the Rattler to within a run. But, Burlington scored in the bottom of the seventh inning. An RBI single by Soto off Preston Gainey pushed the Bees lead back to two runs. Then, the Rattlers rallied to tie the game in the eighth. Mitch Haniger hit a titanic home run to left with one out off Cam Bedrosian. Haniger's homer, a solo shot, was his fifth of the season. Adam Giacalone kept the inning going by drawing a walk with two outs in the inning. Pinch runner Jose Sermo took over at first base and scooted around to third on a single to right-center by Chris McFarland. Clint Coulter tied the game with a single to right that scored Sermo. Arcia drew a leadoff walk in the top of the ninth inning against Bees reliever Curt Spomer. Tyrone Taylor moved Arcia to second with a sacrifice bunt, but Arcia was left stranded. The Rattlers would not get another base runner in the game. The winning rally for the Bees started when Chevy Clarke's high popup on the infield was dropped for an error. Zac Livingston was trying to bunt Clarke into scoring position, but Gainey would issue a walk to put runners on first and second. Kevin Moesquit was next and he bunted back to the mound. Gainey went to second, but his throw was late and the Bees had the bases loaded with no outs. Soto worked the count to 2-2 before he lined a clean single to right-center to drive in the winning run for the Bees. Game three of the series is Sunday afternoon at Community Field. Tyler Wagner (4-1, 2.12) is the scheduled starting pitcher for the Timber Rattlers. Ryan Crowley (2-1, 2.64) is set to start for the Bees. Game time is 2:00pm. Tune in for the play-by-play action on AM1280, WNAM or timberrattlers.com starting with the Miller Lite Pregame Show at 1:40pm. HOME RUNS: WIS: Orlando Arcia (1st, 0 on in 3rd inning off Aaron Newcomb, 0 out) Mitch Haniger (5th, 0 on in 8th inning off Cam Bedrosian, 1 out) WP: Joe Krehbiel (2-3) LP: Preston Gainey (1-4) TIME: 3:08 ATTN: 798 Additional notes on Arcia, Coulter, Haniger, and Semmelhack. Walked off in Burlington – Postgame post for May 18, 2013 Wisconsin Boxscore Well Chris hammered through pretty much all of the positives between his game story and the blog post. Unfortunately whenever I listen or watch Eric Semmelhack doesn't pitch all that well, I'll have to start avoiding his starts and see if things change. Mitch Haniger might have 20 HR potential, he's really growing on me with his approach at the plate and positional versatility. He's right on the edge of being a legit 5 tool guy, I'm not sure he runs well enough for that designation but I like his bat and arm, while his defense has been a plus too thus far as well. I just looked at BA and they have him as a 2 tool guy calling him a fringe average runner, hitter, and an average defender. I guess we'll see where he ultimately falls. Wisconsin Recap As Chris noted shoddy defense cost the T-Rats key runs in this game. Burlington Bottom of the 1st Sherman Johnson doubles (8) on a fly ball to left fielder Victor Roache. Kyle Johnson singles on a bunt ground ball to third baseman Alfredo Rodriguez. Sherman Johnson scores. Kyle Johnson to 2nd. Throwing error by third baseman Alfredo Rodriguez. Wade Hinkle flies out to right fielder Michael Reed. Kyle Johnson to 3rd. Michael Bolaski out on a sacrifice fly to right fielder Michael Reed. Kyle Johnson scores. Andrew Ray strikes out swinging, catcher Clint Coulter to first baseman Adam Giacalone. Burlington Bottom of the 7th Pitching Change: Preston Gainey replaces Eric Semmelhack. Sandy Martinez flies out to center fielder Tyrone Taylor. Kevin Moesquit singles on a line drive to right fielder Michael Reed. With Wendell Soto batting, passed ball by Clint Coulter, Kevin Moesquit to 2nd. Wendell Soto singles on a ground ball to center fielder Tyrone Taylor. Kevin Moesquit scores. With Sherman Johnson batting, Wendell Soto steals (8) 2nd base. Sherman Johnson flies out to center fielder Tyrone Taylor. Kyle Johnson pops out to shortstop Orlando Arcia. In addition to the error Gainey went to 2nd for some reason on the bunt and the catcher beat the throw, just get the out at first buddy. Burlington Bottom of the 11th Chevy Clarke reaches on a fielding error by second baseman Christopher McFarland. Zac Livingston walks. Chevy Clarke to 2nd. Kevin Moesquit hits a sacrifice bunt. Chevy Clarke to 3rd. Zac Livingston to 2nd. Kevin Moesquit to 1st. Wendell Soto singles on a fly ball to right fielder Michael Reed. Chevy Clarke scores. Zac Livingston to 3rd. Kevin Moesquit to 2nd.

When have I ever claimed there was a sure thing in the draft? I rarely make definitive statements about any prospects let alone draft picks. I don't have a problem with Z drafting Jones, Rogers, or Jeffress at all, to get a great player you have to take some risks and miss. My problem with Z is that they drafted a bunch of control HS and College pitchers... 9 pitchers with impact potential in all those years just wasn't enough, even when you toss in the Draft and Follow guys like Parra, Braddock, Eveland, and Bryson. We have to take couple impact pitchers every year, probably more like 3, in our top 10 players. Some of those guys won't make it at all, some will be back of the rotation guys, some relievers, and some will be exactly what we're looking for. As for where in the draft, we had a shot with a potential #1 in Rondon at in the 16th round and we didn't pony up the extra bonus money necessary to sign him, Matt Moore was an 8th round pick he's a solid #2 maybe a #1, some scouts think his stuff is better than David Price. Jeremy Hellickson was a 4th round pick as was Alex Cobb. Finally Cleveland drafted Chris Archer in the 5th round, and that's just the later round impact pitchers off the top of the my head from the Rays. Pitchers with impact potential aren't falling out of trees after the first 2 rounds, but they are definitely out there. Let's face it, the Brewers just stink at identifying pitchers, we aren't going to be able to target 1 or 2 guys and get it done. For example, Brooks Hall and Evan Anundsen supposedly had projectable frames but each actually lost velocity as professionals, that's an issue of the player being targeted, not the development process. I'm no fan of the MiLB Management staff the Brewers have in place, but at least the things that are going on now make sense as opposed to when Nichols was solely in charge... pitching tandems in A ball, OF playing the OF and not DHing everyday like Brantley did, and so on. These are good things, Matt Erickson has 4 legitimate OF prospects in WI and manages to get them all equal playing time in the field, that sort of thing wasn't happening before. Every draftee has warts, and I'm not so concerned with that fact as I am the players in particular that Seid is drafting. We've hammered on the 2011 draft on the minor league forum but the HS pitcher taken between Jungmann and Bradley Jose Fernandez is already up pitching in MLB, Sonny Gray was taken #18, Matt Barnes at #19, and Taylor Guerrieri #24. That's 4 potential impact pitchers and we drafted 2 guys we're hoping are potential #3s, Fernandez has everything to be an Ace and he was right there for the picking. Another player that posters around here wanted in C.J. Cron who's a beast with the bat thus far was drafted at #17. Over the entire Z/Seid era we graduated exactly 1 pitcher out of Latin America to MLB, that's not going to get it done either. In fact in that time frame we've only graduated 2 players in Escobar and Peralta. I think Arcia has a legit shot, I really like him, but he's in A ball now and anything can happen. Once more I don't mind swinging and missing on talented pitchers, I've posted many times that I liked and still liked the Rogers pick, but I also acknowledge that I like the pick for selfish reasons, if I'm honest about the selection from a macro point of view he probably wasn't the best choice at that draft position. I've put quite a bit of time into looking at who and what type of player different organizations draft and sign out of Latin America, there's no way I could fit a breakdown like that into a single post. I will say however that the draft position excuse is a complete fallacy no matter what team it is applied to. Many teams that have drafted behind the Brewers on a year basis have been able to develop more pitching and much deeper farm systems from an impact talent standpoint. Draft position is great, it worked out wonderfully for the Nationals, but good scouting and player development trumps draft position. The Rays aren't lucky, nor are the Cards, or Cincy, or San Fran, nor are the teams that do much better in Latin America. It's about devoting resources and hiring the right people, not draft position. Nate... Gabe Gross as a good selection? A 4th OF at 15 overall? He has a career WAR of 5.1... The point here is really impact talent. And Tim Wilken drafted most of Toronto's impact talent including Roy Halladay and is widely regarded as one of the finest talent evaluators in baseball, and has continued that trend helping the Rays in the early 2000s and now with the Cubs, which stinks.

Typical sarcastic garbage. The organization felt they were forced to use Escobar when hardy stunk and then Macha trashed his confidence the next season, somehow Alcides only appeared in 145 games even though he was just 23. He was sat on bench every time he had a mini cold streak, ridiculous. Lucroy was called up as an injury replacement. Axford and Henderson, relievers... really? Remind me again how many other relievers were used first in both cases? Neither made the team out of spring training. Aoki was hardly a true rookie nor was he young, how does he fit the profile at all? Segura was called up right from AA because our SS situation stunk, one again an injury replacement. Gamel was never given a legitimate shot to win the 3B job and sat behind a clearly inferior talent because McGehee was producing for the first time ever in his career. Yea that same guy whom Melvin tried to foolishly extend. How did Gamel even make your list? He's the poster boy for a top prospect coming up and sitting on the bench to do nothing. Fiers, another injury replacement. Estrada, injury replacement, then he got hurt right when he was being optioned down and the organization basically claimed he was sandbagging an injury. Peralta was a Sept call-up and pitched his way into the rotation. I'll agree with you on Peralta as he started this season in the rotation. In truth Braun was the last prospect the organization had a plan to call-up in the season he made his debut. All of the rest of the guys were the last option after horrible performances or were injury replacements, which of these guys were actually allowed to "win" a job? Braun was an elite talent, it made sense for him to sit until June and save super 2 status, the rest... not so much.

No joke, these guys can play

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New swing or not I'm still not convinced Brett Jackson of the Cubs' will hit enough. We'll see I guess. Jackson learning, evolving at Triple-A

Quite the hitting performance for 2 Cubs' prospects Soler, Geiger tee off for D-Cubs

Chris rocks the post game as usual, this one is definitely worth a read, he has a note I missed on Taylor Wall, good stuff. Maybe Chris will come to the dark side and start believing that the closer is nonsense and the best reliever should be used in the highest leverage situation? At any rate that was certainly the case tonight. The odyssey begins – postgame post for May 17, 2013

Long road trip starts with a win Rattlers beat Bees 8-4 in first game of 13 game road trip By Chris Mehring / Wisconsin Timber Rattlers GRAND CHUTE, WI - The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers started their two-week odyssey through the Western Division of the Midwest League with an 8-4 win over the Burlington Bees at Community Field on Friday night. Clint Coulter and Alfredo Rodriguez each drove in two runs for Wisconsin. The Rattlers (19-19) had a great opportunity to go in front in the first inning. Tyrone Taylor started the game with a double. The next two batters drew walks to load the bases with no outs. But, Bees starting pitcher Reid Scoggins struck out the next two batters and got a grounder to second to strand three runners in a scoreless top of the first. Burlington (13-24) took the lead in the bottom of the first. Wendell Soto drew a walk, stole second, and stole third. A two-out single to right by Michael Bolaski drove in Soto for a 1-0 lead. The Rattlers stormed back in the top of the third inning. Mitch Haniger doubled with one out. Then, Victor Roache drew a walk. Adam Giacalone tied the game with a single to center that drove in Haniger. Rodriguez put the Rattlers in front with a double to left-center that drove in Roache and Giacalone in for a 3-1 lead. Wisconsin added to their lead with two runs in the top of the fifth. They loaded the bases with no outs and Roache scored on a throwing error to the plate on a force play after a Coulter grounder to third. Jose Sermo followed with a sacrifice fly and the Rattlers were up 5-2. The Bees staged a rally against Rattlers starting pitcher Ryan Gibbard in the bottom of the sixth. Kyle Johnson drew a walk and stole second with one out. Wade Hinkle followed with an RBI double. A walk, a strikeout, and another walk loaded the bases with two outs. Left-handed reliever Taylor Wall took over for Gibbard on the hill, struck out Andre Ray to stop the Bees rally, and kept the Rattlers up 5-2. Gibbard went 5-2/3 innings, allowed two runs on three hits, walked five, struck out five, and was in line for the win. The Rattlers offense put up some insurance runs in the seventh inning. Coulter doubled sharply down the third base line to drive in two runs. He scored later in the frame on a wild pitch. Jorge Lopez entered the game for the Rattlers to start the bottom of the sixth inning and he struck out six over the final three innings to earn his second save of the season. The only hiccup in the performance of Lopez was a two-out, two-run double by Soto in the bottom of the ninth inning. Game two of the series is Saturday night at Community Field. Eric Semmelhack (1-0, 3.33) is the scheduled starting pitcher for the Timber Rattlers. The Bees have named Aaron Newcomb (1-1, 4.29) as their scheduled starter. Game time is 6:30pm. Tune in for the radio call of Saturday's game on AM1280, WNAM or timberrattlers.com starting with the Miller Lite Pregame Show at 6:10pm WP: Ryan Gibbard (3-1) LP: Reid Scoggins (0-1) SAVE: Jorge Lopez (2) TIME: 2:50 ATTN: 772 Wisconsin Boxscore Taylor Wall came up huge, this could have been a totally different game without that key strike out to bail out Gibbard in the 6th, nice job my man! Clint Coulter's double was absolutely smoked, he's starting to hit the ball with authority again. Tyrone Taylor had 1 hit again... I know shocking, he's been steady all year, check out his last 10 games. If some of these 1 hit games become 2 hit games look out, I have a good feeling about him right now. Michael Bolaski committed 3 errors at 3B tonight for the Bees, I believe that's the second time this year an opposing 3B has committed 3 errors in a single game. Wisconsin Recap As Chris discussed above, crooked numbers in the 3rd, 5th, and 7th! Wisconsin Top of the 3rd Michael Reed strikes out swinging. Mitch Haniger doubles (11) on a fly ball to left fielder Jonathan Walsh. Victor Roache walks. Adam Giacalone singles on a ground ball to center fielder Chevy Clarke. Mitch Haniger scores. Victor Roache to 2nd. Alfredo Rodriguez doubles (2) on a fly ball to center fielder Chevy Clarke. Victor Roache scores. Adam Giacalone scores. Alfredo Rodriguez out at 3rd on the throw, center fielder Chevy Clarke to shortstop Wendell Soto to third baseman Michael Bolaski. Pitching Change: Kenny Hatcher replaces Reid Scoggins. Clint Coulter walks. Jose Sermo singles on a line drive to center fielder Chevy Clarke. Clint Coulter to 3rd. Orlando Arcia pops out to catcher Sandy Martinez in foul territory. Wisconsin Top of the 5th Pitching Change: Jake Boyd replaces Kenny Hatcher. Victor Roache walks. Adam Giacalone reaches on a throwing error by third baseman Michael Bolaski. Victor Roache to 2nd. Alfredo Rodriguez singles on a bunt ground ball to third baseman Michael Bolaski. Victor Roache to 3rd. Adam Giacalone to 2nd. Clint Coulter reaches on a force attempt, throwing error by third baseman Michael Bolaski. Victor Roache scores. Adam Giacalone to 3rd. Alfredo Rodriguez to 2nd. Jose Sermo out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Chevy Clarke. Adam Giacalone scores. Orlando Arcia grounds into a double play, shortstop Wendell Soto to second baseman Pedro Toribio to first baseman Wade Hinkle. Clint Coulter out at 2nd. Wisconsin Top of the 7th Victor Roache pops out to catcher Sandy Martinez in foul territory. Adam Giacalone singles on a line drive to right fielder Kyle Johnson. Alfredo Rodriguez hit by pitch. Adam Giacalone to 2nd. Clint Coulter doubles (4) on a ground ball to left fielder Jonathan Walsh. Adam Giacalone scores. Alfredo Rodriguez scores. With Jose Sermo batting, wild pitch by Jake Boyd, Clint Coulter to 3rd. Jose Sermo strikes out swinging. With Orlando Arcia batting, wild pitch by Jake Boyd, Clint Coulter scores. Orlando Arcia grounds out, first baseman Wade Hinkle to pitcher Jake Boyd. Jorge Lopez is pitching better in relief, after a walk to start the 7th he was solid until the 9th. Burlington Bottom of the 7th Pitching Change: Jorge Lopez replaces Taylor Wall. Sandy Martinez walks. Pedro Toribio lines out to center fielder Tyrone Taylor. Wendell Soto strikes out swinging. Passed ball by catcher Clint Coulter. Sandy Martinez to 2nd. Kyle Johnson strikes out swinging. Burlington Bottom of the 8th Wade Hinkle called out on strikes. Michael Bolaski grounds out, pitcher Jorge Lopez to first baseman Adam Giacalone. Jonathan Walsh strikes out swinging. Burlington Bottom of the 9th Chevy Clarke called out on strikes. Andrew Ray walks. Sandy Martinez singles on a line drive to right fielder Mitch Haniger. Andrew Ray to 2nd. Pedro Toribio grounds into a force out, shortstop Orlando Arcia to second baseman Alfredo Rodriguez. Andrew Ray to 3rd. Sandy Martinez out at 2nd. Pedro Toribio to 1st. Wendell Soto doubles (3) on a fly ball to center fielder Tyrone Taylor. Andrew Ray scores. Pedro Toribio scores. Kyle Johnson strikes out swinging.

That's an over exaggeration of what's actually been said. You're combining 2 thoughts about different scouting directors into 1 idea, each had/has a different philosophy. Is that really true? First everyone should go and read this article I linked to the other day. It's about hitting, but while everyone knows that college players are more likely to reach MLB, the impact potential between HS and college players are very, very close. The type of player you can get in the first round is dependent on draft position, in later rounds it's all about scouting. I'm going to arbitrarily limit this to the top eleven because that's as far down in the draft that the Brewers have pulled an All-Star. I'm also excluding the Draft and Follow process which no longer exists but the Brewers did very well with. Manny Parra was a draft and follow player... Also, I don't see how we can say a player had impact potential if he never makes it out of A ball, to me that's a draft issue more than a developmental issue. As always impact potential is defined as #2 stuff or better. Jack Zduriencik - 2000 1 - Dave Krynzel - OF - HS 3 - Dane Artman - LHP - HS 4 - Eric Henderson - LHP - College 5 - Jason Belcher - C - HS 6 - Brian Hicks - OF - HS 7 - Jerry Oakes - RHP - HS 8 - Bill Scott - OF - College 9 - Ryan Miller - RHP - College 10 - Brian Nielsen - LHP - HS 11 - Corey Hart - 1B - HS Total: 0 impact pitchers. 3 HS pitchers, none made it past Beliot (A). 1 of the college pitchers made it to AA Jack Zduriencik - 2001 1 - Mike Jones - RHP - HS 2 - J.J. Hardy - SS - HS 3 - Jon Steitz - RHP - College 4 - Brad Nelson - 1B - HS 5 - Judd Richardson - RHP - College 6 - Calvin Carpenter - RHP - HS 7 - Taylor McCormack - 3B - HS 8 - Brandon Gemoll - 1B - College 9 - Dennis Sarfate - RHP - Junior College 10 - Greg Moreira - RHP - HS 11 - David Slevin - 2B - JC Total: 2 potential impact pitchers in Mike Jones and Dennis Sarfate. Jack Zduriencik - 2002 1 - Prince Fielder - 1B - HS 2 - Josh Murray - SS - HS 3 - Eric Thomas - RHP - College 4 - Nick Carter - OF - College 5 - Jarrad Page - SS - HS 6 - Khalid Balloul - RHP - College 7 - Tom Wilhelmsen - RHP - HS 8 - Stephen Kahn - RHP - HS - Didn't sign 9 - Edwin Walker - RHP - HS 10 - Jeremy frost - C - College 11 - Brian Hernandez - C - HS Total: 1 potential impact pitcher. 3 HS pitchers, 2 signed, Wilhelmsen was a potential impact pitcher but was let go for smoking weed before 2004 Jack Zduriencik - 2003 1 - Rickie Weeks - 2B - College 2 - Tony Gwynn - CF - College 3 - Lou Palmisano - C - JC 4 - Charlie Fermaint - OF - HS 5 - Bryan Opdyke - C - HS 6 - Robert Wooley - RHP - HS 7 - Brian Montalbo - RHP - College 8 - Ryan Marion - RHP - HS 9 - Greg Kloosterman - LHP - College 10 - Tyler Morrison - RHP - HS 11 - Adam Heether - 3B - College Total: 3 HS pitchers, 0 impact pitchers. Jack Zduriencik - 2004 1 - Mark Rogers - RHP - HS 2 - Yovani Gallardo - RHP - HS 3 - Joshua Wahpepah - RHP - JC 4 - Josh Baker - RHP - College 5 - Angel Salome - C - HS 6 - Stephen Chapman - OF - HS 7 - Craig Langille - RHP - HS 8 - Brandon Parillo - LHP - HS 9 - Derek DeCarlo - RHP - College 10 - Steve Sollmann - 2B - College 11 - Lenny Leclercq - SS - HS Total: 2 potential impact pitchers. 4 HS pitchers, Rogers and Gallardo were top of the rotation guys, Wahpepah had #3 potential. Jack Zduriencik - 2005 1 - Ryan Braun - 3B - College 3 - Will Inman - RHP - HS 4 - Mat Gamel - 3B - JC 5 - Kevin Robers - RHP - College 6 - Steve Hammond - LHP - College 7 - Michael Brantley - OF - HS 8 - Jemile Weeks - SS - HS 9 - Carlos Hereaud - 2B - HS 10 - Steve Garrison - LHP - HS 11 - Brent Allar - RHP - JC Total: 0 potential impact pitchers, HS pitchers, both were 3s on draft day. Jack Zduriencik - 2006 1 - Jeremy Jeffress - RHP - HS 2 - Brent Brewer - SS - HS 3 - Gole Gillespie - OF - College 4 - Evan Anundsen - RHP - HS 5 - Chris Errecart - OF - College 6 - Brae Wright - LHP - College 7 - Andy Bouchie - C - College 8 - Shane Hill - RHP - HS 9 - Shawn Ferguson - RHP - College 10 - Mike McClendon - RHP - JC 11 - Zach Clem - OF - College Total: 1 impact pitcher. 3 HS pitchers, Jeffress was a potential impact pitcher, Anundsen has barely broken 90 MPH as a professional and I don't remember Hill at all. Jack Zduriencik - 2007 1 - Matt LaPorta - 1B - College 3 - Jonathan Lucroy - C - College 4 - Eric Farris - 2B - College 5 - Caleb Gindl - OF - HS 6 - Dan Merklinger - LHP - College 7 - Efrain Nieves - LHP - HS 8 - David Fonseca - SS - JC 9 - Kristian Bueno - LHP - HS 10 - Eric Fryer - C - College 11 - Cody Scarpetta - RHP - HS Total: 0 impact potential pitchers. 3 HS pitchers, Scarpetta had the biggest arm of the 3 but only worked 90-91 when I saw him pitch and had already filled out his frame. Jack Zduriencik - 2008 1 - Brett Lawrie - C - HS 1s - Jake Odorizzi - RHP - HS 1s - Evan Frederickson - LHP - College 2 - Seth Lintz - RHP - HS 2 - Cutter Dykstra - 2B - HS 2 - Cody Adams - RHP - College 3 - Logan Schafer - OF - College 4 - Josh Romanski - LHP - College 5 - Maverick Lasker - RHP - HS 6 - Jose Duran - SS - College 7 - Trey Watten - RHP - College 8 - Erik Komatsu - OF - College 9 - Michael Bowman - RHP - College 10 - Greg Miller - LHP - College 11 - Michael Marseco - SS - College Total: I'll settle at 3 potential impact pitchers on draft day. This is a tough draft, all 3 HS pitchers were working 90-92 on draft day and all had projectable frames, something that Brewers hadn't really done with previous HS pitchers in the later rounds. Adams was supposed to have #2 upside but it never materialized as his velocity was never as good as advertised, Frederickson turned out to be a workout wonder. Buce Seid - 2009 1 - Eric Arnett - RHP - College 1s - Kentrail Davis - OF - College 1s - Kyle Heckathorn - RHP - College 2 - Max Walla - OF - HS 2 - Cameron Garfield - C - HS 3 - Josh Prince - SS - College 4 - Brooks Hall - RHP - HS 5 - D' Vontrey Richardson - OF - College 6 - Hiram Burgos - RHP - College 7 - Khris Davis - OF - College 8 - Chadwin Stang - OF - College 9 - Jonathan Pokorny - LHP - College 10 - Tyler Robers - C - HS 11 - Andre Lamontagne - RHP - College Total: 1 legit impact pitcher on draft day. Arnett was a potential top of the rotation guy, if I'm honest with myself Heckathorn had the arm to be but none of the rest, and Hall has worked 87-92 as a professional. Buce Seid - 2010 1 - Dylan Covey - RHP - HS - Well documented didn't sign 2 - Jimmy Nelson - RHP - College 3 - Tyler Thornburg - RHP - College 4 - Hunter Morris - 1B - College 5 - Matt Miller - RHP - College 6 - Cody Hawn - 1B - College 7 - Joel Pierce- RHP - HS 8 - Austin Ross - RHP - College 9 - Yadiel Rivera - SS - HS 10 - Rafael Neda - C - College 11 - Greg Holle - RHP - College Total: 3 potential impact pitchers on draft day, Covey turned out to not have much projection left but still tops out around 96. PG things he's avalue pick in the 3rd this year. Buce Seid - 2011 1 - Taylor Jungmann - RHP - College 1s - Jed Bradley - LHP - College 2 - Jorge Lopez - RHP - HS 3 - Drew Gagnon - RHP - College 4 - Nick Ramirez - 1B - College 5 - Michael Reed - CF - HS 6 - Daniel Keller - RHP - HS 7 - David Goforth - RHP - College 8 - Dustin Houle - C - HS 9 - Malcom Dowell - CF - HS 10 - Michael Strong - LHP - College 11 - Tommy Toledo - RHP - College Total: 2 potential impact pitchers on draft day in Bradley and Lopez. Buce Seid - 2012 1 - Clint Coulter - C - HS 1 - Victor Roache - OF - College 1s - Mitch Haniger - OF - College 2 - Tyrone Taylor - CF - HS 3 - Zach Quintana - RHP - HS 4 - Tyler Wagner - RHP - College 5 - Damien Magnifico - RHP - College 6 - Angel Ortega - SS - HS 7 - David Otterman - LHP - College 8 - Edgardo Rivera - CF - HS 9 - Alejandro Lavandero - RHP - HS 10 - Anthony Banda - LHP - JC 11 - Preston Gainey - RHP - College Total: 0 impact pitchers on draft day. Quintana is a low 90s guy with little projection and Lavandero works 87-89 with some projection. Jack Zduriencik 9 total potential impact pitchers in 9 drafts, 3 with #1 potential. Bruce Seid 6 potential impact pitchers on draft day but none that profiled as 1s. Furthermore Arnett, Bradley, and Lopez foundered out of the gate plus Covey didn't sign, leaving us with just Thornburg and Nelson from Seid's drafts at this time. Summary Z went with high upside HS kids while Seid has taken higher floor college pitching for the most part. With Z we never had enough high ceiling options at any one time but he did well supplementing pitching talent with the draft and follow process landing a multitude of prospects in Eveland, Parra, and Braddock. Seid doesn't have that option and he's gone with much more college pitching. The Brewers haven't been great at developing talent but they certainly haven't drafted all that well either. Z left the organization with just 2 potential impact pitchers in Gallardo and Odorizzi, I don't think there's much hope for Rogers anymore, I'm finally ready to give up on him. Seid has Thornburg and Nelson who may be close to contributing but aren't there yet. Internationally though that entire time frame we've signed and delivered 1 prospect with impact potential in Peralta. Since 2000 that's 2 pitchers drafted or signed by the organization that were developed whom will surely pitch more than a handful of games as starting pitcher for the big club with 2 more possibilities. I think it's pretty obvious given the high flame out rate for pitchers that we simply haven't had enough numbers to realistically have a shot at a home grown rotation. If 2/3 of those guys are going to flame due to injury or ineffectiveness we just never had enough, and since we didn't have enough options for starting pitching, we were left with few bullpen options as well. Better pitching development would certainly help but when you're behind the 8 ball to start with I don't think you can just pick 1 or the other in terms of drafting and/or development. It's basically the entire strategy which has been at fault.

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Well you're generally going to get differing opinions on a player as the Brewer's view of their own players rarely agrees with the rest of the scouting world. For example the Brewers still think Jungmann has #2 upside but independent talent evaluators don't see that at all, the Brewers thought Braun could stick at 3rd and so on. From a tools standpoint Hellweg has a huge arm and decent secondary offerings which on paper one would typically profile as a top of the rotation starter. However his control stinks and if you can't throw strikes, you aren't a MLB starting pitcher, you probably aren't even a reliever. His career will depend entirely on how much control he gains as he matures. At this point the safest projection would likely be a bullpen role, but there's always a chance he could improve enough to be a starting pitcher. I'm really hoping 2 of Nelson, Thornburg, and Hellweg can be top of the rotation MLB starters otherwise we're no closer to getting over the hump pitching wise than we were a couple of years ago... stuck in neutral if you will.