Game Thread (4/28/2022): Brewers (Peralta) at Pirates (Quintana) - 11:35 AM CDT

[Simba2020]

I think it's pretty safe to say, you will never see Hader pitch outside of the ninth (ignoring extra inning games) and never more than one inning. And that decision from what I've read, is all on Hader with CC basically forced to go along with it.

[Brock Beauchamp]

An hour ago, this game was sailing along.

Now, not so much.

[KeithStone53151]

3 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

At some point we are going to have to deal for a difference making bat. The pitching is outstanding but we can't expect shutouts every day even against Pittsburgh. 

We all heard you the first 800 times...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, Simba2020 said:

I think it's pretty safe to say, you will never see Hader pitch outside of the ninth (ignoring extra inning games) and never more than one inning. And that decision from what I've read, is all on Hader with CC basically forced to go along with it.

I'm still having nightmares from the last time Hader pitched in the 8th last October.

[jason21nl]

I love the Brewers but man this team is hard to watch.  

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, KeithStone53151 said:

We all heard you the first 800 times...

Wait, what? Are we actually saying the Brewers offense isn't hitting well?

[Simba2020]

I also agree that Hiura probably will/should be the guy to go. Not saying it's what I would do but basically using him strictly against LHPs, which he's proven he can't hit, is not only a stupid decision by Counsell but one that does seem to indicate he has no interest in him being on this team.

I actually think there would be a very good chance he would outproduce McCutchen in the DH role against RHPs if given the opportunity.

[BruisedCrew]

Bednar has been nasty when I’ve seen him. 

[BruisedCrew]

Good thing Renfroe wasn’t interested in accepting a lead off walk. 

[Brewcrew82]

Thanks a lot Renfroe. Traded in a BB for a groundout. 

[tmwiese55]

6 minutes ago, Simba2020 said:

I also agree that Hiura probably will/should be the guy to go. Not saying it's what I would do but basically using him strictly against LHPs, which he's proven he can't hit, is not only a stupid decision by Counsell but one that does seem to indicate he has no interest in him being on this team.

I actually think there would be a very good chance he would outproduce McCutchen in the DH role against RHPs if given the opportunity.

Yea it seems clear he'll be the one out when Urias is back.    It's probably odd to say as I know he misses the ball so often, but I still feel like when he actually hits the ball he hits hard or it has juice to it.  So I kind of want him up more than others. Same with Taylor.    

[Brewcrew82]

Ughhh. I know we've won the series, but just get us out of Pittsburgh at this point.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Taylor's shot is long gone with a normal ball. This humidor crap can get retired any time.

[Juice]

1 hour ago, Pugger said:

Hunter Deer and Lorenzo Bradley Jr are at it again...

 

[adambr2]

The decade long search for a 1B continues. I know he's a fan favorite, but Rowdy Tellez ain't it. 

[BruisedCrew]

9 minutes ago, Simba2020 said:

I think it's pretty safe to say, you will never see Hader pitch outside of the ninth (ignoring extra inning games) and never more than one inning. And that decision from what I've read, is all on Hader with CC basically forced to go along with it.

Actually I think the Brewers are better off having Hader pitch one inning at a time. As it is they’ve needed him to finish off 10 of their 12 wins, a pace that cannot be maintained for the whole season.

Multi inning appearances would inevitably mean that he would appear in fewer games, and I think the net result would be negative. 

[stoutdude04]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The decade long search for a 1B continues. I know he's a fan favorite, but Rowdy Tellez ain't it. 

Maybe - he hit one 107 off the bat today and it barely made the track. The other night he had 2 that were hit well and didn't make it out.  

[Brewin]

I'm not sure I agree about Tellez. He is an above average defender who consistently hits the ball hard. He has hit multiple balls with high exit velo that have been outs so far this year.

I would guess he hits 25+ HR with an 800ish OPS if he gets 550-600 AB's

 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

The decade long search for a 1B continues. I know he's a fan favorite, but Rowdy Tellez ain't it. 

Take a look at his baseball savant page. I'm willing to give him more time. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The decade long search for a 1B continues. I know he's a fan favorite, but Rowdy Tellez ain't it. 

Based on his slow start and .720 OPS this year? Or the .814 he put up as a Brewer last year? He don't think he'll ever be a star, but he's far from the biggest problem in the lineup as it stands.

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Actually I think the Brewers are better off having Hader pitch one inning at a time. As it is they’ve needed him to finish off 10 of their 12 wins, a pace that cannot be maintained for the whole season.

Multi inning appearances would inevitably mean that he would appear in fewer games, and I think the net result would be negative. 

Indeed. It's not as if the bullpen has been the issue this season and being able to rely on Hader more often with fewer outs per appearance is probably the way to go.

And I say this as a person who generally believes the opposite but when it feels like leads are rarely more than two runs, you want the best guys closing out the final innings as often as possible.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Based on his slow start and .720 OPS this year? Or the .814 he put up as a Brewer last year? He don't think he'll ever be a star, but he's far from the biggest problem in the lineup as it stands.

He's not the seventh biggest problem, frankly.

[Simba2020]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Actually I think the Brewers are better off having Hader pitch one inning at a time. As it is they’ve needed him to finish off 10 of their 12 wins, a pace that cannot be maintained for the whole season.

Multi inning appearances would inevitably mean that he would appear in fewer games, and I think the net result would be negative. 

I'm not advocating for Hader to be used more than 1 inning at a time but in an emergency, or when certain guys punch walls, it has to be on the table. I'm just not convinced it's even open for discussion.

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Take a look at his baseball savant page. I'm willing to give him more time. 

I'm definitely willing to wait and see what happens over a full 162 with him, if nothing else for lack of better options. I'm not convinced he's going to prove to be a viable starter long-term, but I could certainly be proven wrong. 

[Underachiever]

19 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

That's even more embarrassing for Counsell if true, but i just don't buy that. I didn't know baseball players got to pick and choose how they were used while under contract. I think Hader prefers the 1 inning approach, mostly because he wants the saves and saves matter greatly in arbitration and will matter in potential future HOF discussion. That said, relievers don't get to pick and choose like that...that's not how the employee/employer relationship works

When you are dealing with the elite in a profession, like the top 700 baseball players, or in this case, one of the best relievers in history, it's nothing like a manager who has a bunch of hourly employees working for them. You don't think that people in the c-suite of corporations don't dictate some of the terms of their employment? I wish people would quit trying to relate professional sports' workplace dynamics with how things work down at their job.