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  • 3 Hitters Brewers Should Avoid Trading For at Trade Deadline


    Jake McKibbin

    As the trade deadline approaches, there are some players out there who look on the surface to be perfect for the Brewers' needs, but who might come at a costly price that exceeds their true value. A lucky first half isn’t worth throwing the farm system into chaos; let's see if we can separate the hype from the real deal.

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    Cody Bellinger – CF/1B

    Bellinger provides premium defense in both the outfield and at first base, two areas where the Brewer could use a potent bat. His fortunes have followed quite closely with those of Christian Yelich, but (as Yelich is in Milwaukee) he has been having a big bounce back season with the Chicago Cubs , recording a .308/.365/.523 slash line for an .888 OPS. Sounds like a big addition, perfect for the Brewers needs and likely to sign elsewhere for next season, meaning it’s a simple two-month rental.

    What is he likely to cost?

    In 2021, the Mets acquired Javier Baez (who was showing power, defensive skills, and a relatively acceptable OBP by his standards at that time) and Trevor Williams from the Chicago Cubs, a pair likely equal in value to Bellinger. The cost was Pete Crow-Armstrong, the 19th pick from the 2020 draft, likely to be the starting center fielder for the Cubs next season and one of the best defensive prospects in baseball. We’re therefore looking at a mid- to late first-round pick in terms of value for the services of Bellinger--potentially something such as Tyler Black + an extra.

    Why is it a bad idea?

    Well for starters, take a look at his Statcast page. It's not pretty;

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    Bellinger has been the third-luckiest hitter in baseball in terms of his weighted on base average compared to his expected numbers, and is due for massive regression. He's on a hot streak at the moment, which may make him even more appealing, but there is a big potential for this trade to flop in the Brewers' face. He isn’t hitting the ball hard with any regularity and doesn’t have a great walk rate. Tyler Black himself may be as good a shout to cover first base while providing lefty power and on-base skills.

    Bobby Dalbec – 1B

    Dalbec has been on fire for the Red Sox' Triple-A affiliate this season, hitting .306/.419/.655 for a 1.074 OPS. The Red Sox are still in contention for the playoffs, but Triston Casas has been their first baseman and seems locked into the role now, with a .937 OPS over the last 30 days, making Dalbec a potential trade piece. They also have Justin Turner able to fill in more than adequately if needed, with his bat also a big boost for the Red Sox this year.

    What is he likely to cost?

    Given that the Red Sox have eyes on sneaking into the playoffs this season, there is a chance they would want MLB-ready players in return, potentially in the form of the currently underperforming Sal Frelick (though that is a bit lopsided), or some quality relievers, maybe an Elvis Peguero. On the surface, getting a big first baseman for a reliever looks like a good trade for the Brewers, right?

    Why is it a bad idea?

    Welcome to Keston Hiura 2.0, only he’ll strike out even more often. Dalbec hasn’t shown an ability to hit at the major-league level, and he currently has 95 strikeouts in just 279 plate appearances for the Worcester Red Sox, a whopping 34% K rate in Triple A. That would likely climb into the 40s, should he have to face major-league pitching. You’d be better off just promoting Hiura.

    Carlos Santana – 1B

    Santana’s stats don’t jump off the page, and he is likely a fairly cheap acquisition. He provides premium defense at first base, with his 77th percentile Outs Above Average. He’s quite the consistent performer, too, with considerably above-average chase rates, walk rates and whiff rates, providing a solid floor for him.

    What is he likely to cost?

    Santana could be quite cheap, in the sense of a prospect ranked somewhere between 10 and 20 in the Brewers organization. The Pirates may want a catcher with hitting potential like Matthew Wood, or maybe a Robert Moore could do the deal (I’m not as high on him as some).

    Why is it a bad idea?

    At 37, Santana’s hard-hit percentage has dropped from over 40% in the last two seasons to just 34.4% this year--a sizable drop, though he is elevating the ball more often. His xBA of .240 is an improvement in some ways, but he's shown minimal power, with an xSlg of just .359, and the Brewers again may have more options in-house that should be able to provide an OPS of .700, albeit in different ways, such as Hiura or Black.

    TLDR

    There are options out there available to the Brewers, but some of these are very risky, and given the improving farm system, the talent within and the closeness to a rebuild (of sorts) with very different trades looming this offseason, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to sell the farm for players such as the above, given what they would cost and how likely they are to have limited effect down the stretch. If you want a player who can get hot and actively carry an offense, the Brewers may in fact have those available in their system already.

    They haven’t had a lot of support in terms of the farm system reinforcements over the last few years, but that may change this season, and betting on themselves might be the best route for success.

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    5 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

    In 2021, the Mets acquired Javier Baez (who was showing power, defensive skills, and a relatively acceptable OBP by his standards at that time) and Trevor Williams from the Chicago Cubs, a pair likely equal in value to Bellinger. The cost was Pete Crow-Armstrong, the 19th pick from the 2020 draft

    1) That was the Mets - they don't make the best personnel decisions.

    B) At the time, PC-A was a 19-year-old in A-ball with 32 career professional plate appearances to his name.  There was plenty of development risk.  Tyler Black has successfully made the jump to AA - he has a lot more value today than PC-A did in 2021.  If it's a late 1st round pick below AA, EBJ is the much better comp.  Or Guilarte or Luis Lara (or both).

    3) Every team in the league has access to Bellinger's advanced metrics and the Cubs know it.  Even if he does regress to his metrics, what will that project to be?  Still has to be a lot better than the Brewers .571 OPS from RF.  His ISO and line drive % are less than his career averages, and he is only striking out 17.7% of the time.  There are reasons to think that he won't regress that much.

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    29 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

    3) Every team in the league has access to Bellinger's advanced metrics and the Cubs know it.  Even if he does regress to his metrics, what will that project to be?  Still has to be a lot better than the Brewers .571 OPS from RF.  His ISO and line drive % are less than his career averages, and he is only striking out 17.7% of the time.  There are reasons to think that he won't regress that much.

    Bellinger's actual slash line is .308/.365/.523 for an .888 OPS

    Bellinger's expected slash line is .252/.316/.400 for a .716 OPS

    That overperformance is the 3rd biggest overperformance among the 269 hitters qualified for the Savant Leaderboards. He's due for major regression.

     

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    7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    Bellinger's actual slash line is .308/.365/.523 for an .888 OPS

    Bellinger's expected slash line is .252/.316/.400 for a .716 OPS

    That overperformance is the 3rd biggest overperformance among the 269 hitters qualified for the Savant Leaderboards. He's due for major regression.

     

    Something tells me he’s going to get traded to the Yankees and negate a lot of that expected regression due to that ballpark's short porch and his heavy pull-side fly ball approach. 

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    32 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

    1) That was the Mets - they don't make the best personnel decisions.

    B) At the time, PC-A was a 19-year-old in A-ball with 32 career professional plate appearances to his name.  There was plenty of development risk.  Tyler Black has successfully made the jump to AA - he has a lot more value today than PC-A did in 2021.  If it's a late 1st round pick below AA, EBJ is the much better comp.  Or Guilarte or Luis Lara (or both).

    3) Every team in the league has access to Bellinger's advanced metrics and the Cubs know it.  Even if he does regress to his metrics, what will that project to be?  Still has to be a lot better than the Brewers .571 OPS from RF.  His ISO and line drive % are less than his career averages, and he is only striking out 17.7% of the time.  There are reasons to think that he won't regress that much.

    EBJ isn't a bad comp, but only if he was a truly elite shortstop. Tyler black is hitting better but with no defensive home which isn't a bad comparison for my money, though I see what you think. Maybe Luis Lara is the ideal fit but even then theres a potential for a very good player

    He'd be a lot better but for what he'd cost I don't believe it's as good as we think... Heck I'd take a trade for renfroe and the reduced cost of that ahead of Bellinger

    @wiguy94has summer my view well but I can absolutely see where you're coming from. A two month Bellinger hot streak would be a big bonus. A lesser Bellinger is quite useless, and either could be what we get

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    1 minute ago, Jake McKibbin said:

    EBJ isn't a bad comp, but only if he was a truly elite shortstop. Tyler black is hitting better but with no defensive home which isn't a bad comparison for my money, though I see what you think. Maybe Luis Lara is the ideal fit but even then theres a potential for a very good player

    He'd be a lot better but for what he'd cost I don't believe it's as good as we think... Heck I'd take a trade for renfroe and the reduced cost of that ahead of Bellinger

    @wiguy94has summer my view well but I can absolutely see where you're coming from. A two month Bellinger hot streak would be a big bonus. A lesser Bellinger is quite useless, and either could be what we get

    I would definitely trade for Bellinger, but I'm not giving up any of my top 10-15 prospects for 2 months of a dude overperforming that significantly.

    Freddy Zamora, Ethan Small, and a DSL lottery ticket is about what I would give up for him.

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    3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    I would definitely trade for Bellinger, but I'm not giving up any of my top 10-15 prospects for 2 months of a dude overperforming that significantly.

    Freddy Zamora, Ethan Small, and a DSL lottery ticket is about what I would give up for him.

    I'd happily do this, but I've a feeling with in demand for an impact from a few teams, especially the Yankees, he'll likely garner over the top offers. He may hit or miss, and we'll see I guess

    Out of curiosity, if he had a guarantee of .800 OPS and premium defense, what would you trade for him?

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    10 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    I would definitely trade for Bellinger, but I'm not giving up any of my top 10-15 prospects for 2 months of a dude overperforming that significantly.

    Freddy Zamora, Ethan Small, and a DSL lottery ticket is about what I would give up for him.

    Thing I said about NYY applies a lot to MKE and Am Fam, too. He can have success at a ballpark like that given his approach and negate some, if not a lot, of the expected regression. 

    Case in point, he's got a .333/.391/.581 slash in MKE...

    I wouldn't give up any of our top 5 prospects for him, but you could maybe convince me to part with a Carlos Rodriguez or EBJ. 

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    1 hour ago, Jake McKibbin said:

    EBJ isn't a bad comp, but only if he was a truly elite shortstop.

    I'm not following.  In your Baez/Williams to the Mets comparison you referenced Pete Crow-Armstrong as what it took to get those two.  That was the fall of 2021 - PC-A wasn't thought of nearly as highly then as he is now.  He wasn't ranked in any top 100 prospect list until pre-2023.  He was 19 and in A-ball and had a lot of development risk - he hadn't made the jump to AA yet.  Black has, so he has much less development risk, and thus EBJ is closer now to the trade value that PC-A was in the fall of 2021.

    Trade values have to be discounted by risk - injury risk, age risk, development risk, performance risk.  PC-A had a lot of development risk in 2021.

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    2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

    1) That was the Mets - they don't make the best personnel decisions.

    B) At the time, PC-A was a 19-year-old in A-ball with 32 career professional plate appearances to his name.  There was plenty of development risk.  Tyler Black has successfully made the jump to AA - he has a lot more value today than PC-A did in 2021.  If it's a late 1st round pick below AA, EBJ is the much better comp.  Or Guilarte or Luis Lara (or both).

    3) Every team in the league has access to Bellinger's advanced metrics and the Cubs know it.  Even if he does regress to his metrics, what will that project to be?  Still has to be a lot better than the Brewers .571 OPS from RF.  His ISO and line drive % are less than his career averages, and he is only striking out 17.7% of the time.  There are reasons to think that he won't regress that much.

    Bellinger would without question be an improvement on our .571 OPS in RF, with the added benefit of moving Wiemer to his natural position in RF and creating a crazy good defensive outfield. Pending cost, he's a better target than continuing to roll Tapia/Perkins out there.

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    20 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

    Bellinger would without question be an improvement on our .571 OPS in RF, with the added benefit of moving Wiemer to his natural position in RF and creating a crazy good defensive outfield. Pending cost, he's a better target than continuing to roll Tapia/Perkins out there.

    Wiemer is a better defensive CF than Bellinger at this point. 

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    17 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

    Bellinger would without question be an improvement on our .571 OPS in RF, with the added benefit of moving Wiemer to his natural position in RF and creating a crazy good defensive outfield. Pending cost, he's a better target than continuing to roll Tapia/Perkins out there.

    Pending cost is the key point, in that I feel he will be massively overpriced based on a fortunate first half of the season. Can't argue he'd improve the Brewers but based on the talent in the system, is it worth it with the risk of him being Dodgers Bellinger?

     

    24 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

    I'm not following.  In your Baez/Williams to the Mets comparison you referenced Pete Crow-Armstrong as what it took to get those two.  That was the fall of 2021 - PC-A wasn't thought of nearly as highly then as he is now.  He wasn't ranked in any top 100 prospect list until pre-2023.  He was 19 and in A-ball and had a lot of development risk - he hadn't made the jump to AA yet.  Black has, so he has much less development risk, and thus EBJ is closer now to the trade value that PC-A was in the fall of 2021.

    Trade values have to be discounted by risk - injury risk, age risk, development risk, performance risk.  PC-A had a lot of development risk in 2021.

    Pete Crow-Armstrong may not have been top 100 as a result of injury, but he was 19th pick out of a high school in 2020 draft (with no minor league games) he was however always considered a premium defender providing a substantial floor to work from. Black doesn't have that EBJ is closer to it, but again not quite there

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    5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    Wiemer is a better defensive CF than Bellinger at this point. 

    We'd probably benefit more from playing Bellinger at 1B instead of Owen Miller. 

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