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    Did You See the Ken Rosenthal Report About a Willy Adames Trade? Good. Now: Forget It.


    Matthew Trueblood

    Earlier this week, The Athletic's senior national baseball writer proposed (for what seems the umpteenth time) that the Brewers could trade their star shortstop. They won't, and shouldn't, and it's getting harder for the national media to beat the allegations.

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    Firstly, let's make something clear. Rosenthal didn't offer news, or even a sourced rumor, in his piece. Because the great work of Rosenthal and other writers at that outlet is behind a paywall, I'll only reproduce a small portion of it here, but this is the telling tidbit.

    "Sure, the team’s offense would suffer. Its morale would, too. But how exactly are the Brewers going to get through the season with their rotation in such a dubious state?" Rosenthal wrote. "Brandon Woodruff and Wade Miley already are out for the year. Robert Gasser might soon join them. Both external free-agent additions, Jakob Junis ($7 million) and Joe Ross ($1.75 million), are on the injured list as well."

    The thrust of his argument was that, whereas Josh Hader was a year and a half from free agency when the Brewers traded him, Adames is only half a season away; that the injuries to the rotation make it hard to envision how the team will get to the end of the season (and beyond) without a major external infusion of talent; and that the prospect prices for controllable starters are likely to be higher than the Brewers are willing to pay.

    Some of those points have merit, but as a whole, the case Rosenthal tried to build here falls flat. Even more than Hader was--far more than Hader was, I would argue--Adames is a linchpin of both the lineup and the clubhouse. The Brewers need him, in a vital way, and they can't replace him just by sliding Joey Ortiz to shortstop. The first thing Rosenthal missed is how special Adames really is, as a person and a player.

    Another thing he missed, though, is that the Brewers are in command of the NL Central, and aren't likely to relinquish it. Rosenthal came of age as a beat reporter for the Baltimore Orioles, a team with some spiritual fraternity with the Brewers. He's not unfamiliar with the plight of the baseball underdog or the tendency on the part of big-market and national media to underestimate small-market teams and their worth. With each passing year, though, he seems to be subsumed more into the machine that treats the Brewers and other teams like them into something close to farm clubs for richer teams, especially on the coasts.

    I understand why outsiders don't believe the Brewers can make it through 162 (and beyond), because of their pitching injuries. Here's the thing about that belief: it's wrong. The Brewers are good enough at scouting and player development; nimble and proactive enough; and quietly deep enough, already, to improve as needed and cover the places where they've been weakened and deployed. This is not 2007. The Brewers aren't leading the NL Central solely by default. They're a well-managed, well-rounded, well-constructed team, and they're going to the playoffs. They can make noise there, too, if they make an important upgrade to the rotation. They absolutely can't do so if they trade Adames.

    That's the final place where I depart from Rosenthal's thinking in his piece. He suggests that the team will balk at the prices for Garrett Crochet and Jesús Luzardo, specifically, and that might be true. I think it would even be wise: Crochet and Luzardo carry both health and performance risks that I expect will not be weighed heavily enough when their teams set their asking prices this summer. There are other starting pitchers who are (or might become) available, though, and if the Brewers don't get aggressive enough to grab someone substantial, then shame on them.

    This team just locked up Jackson Chourio on an extremely team-friendly deal that could last a decade. They have long-term team control of Ortiz, Christian Yelich, William Contreras, and Brice Turang, not to mention a handful of prospects who range from interesting to downright exciting. The days Adames, Rhys Hoskins, Devin Williams, and maybe even Freddy Peralta will spend in this organization might be numbered, but the team has the skeleton of another very impressive core in place already. That's why this season, which felt like it might be a short-term step back and transition year, is turning out to be one to remember.

    It's time to invest in that, and take a chance on it. They can afford to surrender some prospect capital. They're going to get a bunch of new talent next month via the MLB Draft, especially after getting a very valuable pick as part of the Corbin Burnes trade, alongside Ortiz and DL Hall. The Brewers shouldn't even entertain Willy Adames trade offers. They should make sure they have his ring size right, and then go make that matter.

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    I disagree to a point.  I would ALWAYS listen to offers for anyone at any time.  In terms of Adames his likelihood of being traded ended once spring training was over and the season started.  If we couldn't get enough value for him then we won't now.  I would only move him for a major get, and that wouldn't be a rental even though he is one.  If we did move him we do have the infielders to pick up that slack, assuming Ortiz is healthy soon.  

    I also do NOT want us trading much for ANY rental.  If they come reasonable so be it.  Most of our top prospects I would want to keep including our 2 supplemental picks.  Where we have depth, OF and bullpen, would be where I'd be most open for trade treasure to move.  Weimer, Uribe, Brown or O'Rae (for infielders) etc.   My top 5 or so prospects off limits.  Pratt, Boeve, and a few others off limits.   Unless of course for a fat deal clearly heavily favored our way.  Anyone available, but some only for that super heavy cost.

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    While I want them exploring opps to pick up a starter, I agree that they CAN survive an entire season as is. It's an exceptional pen due to its' depth of ability, and it isn't really only 8 deep--with the manipulations btwn AAA & the big club it's more like 11 or 12 as long as they're able to dance around any 40-man roster issues (Williams is an obvious ace in the hole; Yoho a little less obvious one). It's possible to deal with a certain number of 4-5 inning starts as long as those starts keep you in the game.

    So look into available starters. But no, not for Adames.

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    Thanks. I understand the sentiment however: if we're not going to pay him, why not trade him? Especially as he's done very well to boost his market value in the first half of this season...

    That said, I highly doubt that we'll trade the soul of the team. How can we justify that after already trading Hader and Burnes, while knowing we'll get a comp pick for simply letting him walk? (someone should please correct me if I'm wrong on the comp pick)

    We need starting pitching. We all know that. But I believe we've enough prospect capital to trade from, rather than giving up the soul of the team in the same season that we're trying to win a championship (hey Atlanta Hawks - you're finally in the East's top tier. How about trading Dominique Wilkins now and crushing fans' hearts?).

    I think the only question is whether we trade for a starting pitcher now OR wait until the deadline. And I'd imagine that we'll wait until the deadline, if only because we'll be afraid that the Big Time Acquisition will end up on the injured list like everyone else.

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    To complete shut off any possible Adames trade is shortsighted and flat out stupid. If a team such as the Dodgers gets desperate and is willing to trade us young controllable starting pitching we would be crazy to not to a deal. Adames is definitely not going to be here next year so if we are offered the right deal we should take it.

     

    53 minutes ago, damuelle said:

    Thanks. I understand the sentiment however: if we're not going to pay him, why not trade him? Especially as he's done very well to boost his market value in the first half of this season...

    That said, I highly doubt that we'll trade the soul of the team. How can we justify that after already trading Hader and Burnes, while knowing we'll get a comp pick for simply letting him walk? (someone should please correct me if I'm wrong on the comp pick)

    We need starting pitching. We all know that. But I believe we've enough prospect capital to trade from, rather than giving up the soul of the team in the same season that we're trying to win a championship (hey Atlanta Hawks - you're finally in the East's top tier. How about trading Dominique Wilkins now and crushing fans' hearts?).

    I think the only question is whether we trade for a starting pitcher now OR wait until the deadline. And I'd imagine that we'll wait until the deadline, if only because we'll be afraid that the Big Time Acquisition will end up on the injured list like everyone else.

    I disagree with this soul of the team talk. All this angst over the Hader trade but lets face it we did fantastic considering we flipped Ruiz for Contreras. If these players are too mentally weak to handle an Adames departure they are not a championship team anyway.

    Yes keep Adames if their isn't a great offer available but if we are offered controllable starting ptching that we like Willy should go. 

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    I simply don't see a way the Brewers get a return on Adames given that his production is very useful on the 2024 squad and they'll miss out on a 2025 compensatory pick if they trade him.

    Is it possible? Sure. Will it happen? Highly unlikely.

    I've got to lean toward keeping your options open. I mean, if you can snag a Landon Knack from the Dodgers for Adames, you do it. The return has to be better than the comp pick lottery ticket. Then you make the trade for Tyler Anderson and Luis Rengifo from the Angels to replace Adames (Ortiz or Turang to SS), and you've suddenly filled in your holes. That's just a few of the dozens of scenarios that I'm sure the front office is considering. Do I think they do it? Probably not. But I don't think the Crew is realistically set up to go far in the playoffs as currently constructed, so getting nothing for Adames is foolish. The only way to compete with the big spenders is to make bold moves and stick to the Rays/Guardians playbook and keep stocking the farm when your regulars get too expensive to keep around.

    There are other ways that the Brewers could put together a package to get a starter.  One of those involves sending some prospects.  Hang on, that is taboo to say.

    The Hader trade yielded fruit in the years following the trade.  Once the trade happened, the team went into a tailspin.  Players had said that losing Hader affected the clubhouse chemistry for many reasons.  Among those were his clubhouse presence along with instilling doubt into the players minds about whether they were next.  Yes -- MLB players should be aware that they are only pieces to a puzzle and could be moved at any time unless they have a no-trade clause.

    While I agree that all trade offers should be considered, I'm hesitant to think of a real-life baseball team simply as  a fantasy baseball team.  "I'll trade you Willy Adames for Christopher Sanchez because your shortstop sucks and I need another starting pitcher."

    I'm not sure I would pull the trigger unless the Brewers come out ahead on the deal.

    21 hours ago, brewers888 said:

    I disagree with this soul of the team talk. All this angst over the Hader trade but lets face it we did fantastic considering we flipped Ruiz for Contreras. If these players are too mentally weak to handle an Adames departure they are not a championship team anyway.

    Yes keep Adames if their isn't a great offer available but if we are offered controllable starting ptching that we like Willy should go. 

    Agreed. I think fans overestimate how the team would react about losing any player. It seems Adames is a fun guy to have around, is reliable, and I'd think he is respected as a player. At the same time, the guys also see what developed from trading Hader and what that ultimately brought to the team - much quicker than developing a QO comp pick. Guys get injured all the time, so you really can't focus too much energy when you have to slot another guy in anywhere. Yes, Adames makes some good plays - so will the next guy - for a lot less money. That's just the way it works. It's a big risk, but you don't win championships without making bold moves.



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