Well, I'll use science then. Here's what a Nobel-winning scientist had to say yesterday: "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn't practice too much lockdown and they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity," Levitt explained. "There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." Michael Levitt is currently on staff at Stanford. Boiling down his reasoning, the experts who came up with the models made the wrong assumption that the R value would remain constant. It doesn't, it goes down. Plenty of scientists disagree with Levitt. He thinks you can get herd immunity at 30% infection rate. I've seen some epidemiologists say you need 60 - 70%. He could absolutely be right but I'm not going to hitch my wagon to one guy even if he won a Nobel. Levitt also believes in global warming. I'm guessing there are plenty of skeptics that still don't believe in it simply because one Nobel winner does.