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  1. Challenge for the, "they should've kept Lyles for $3.5m" crowd. Find me a post from Spring Training or thereabouts that predicted this madness and also predicted that Lyles would be the April savior. This post was from May 20 (the height of his lucky season) which was about the high point you can find for hindsight analysis. viewtopic.php?f=63&t=38457 I'd be interested to see folks giving a strong "this is really, really going to come back to bite us" type of commentary when they declined his option or even in early March.
  2. Depends on one's outlook. I think most would agree that he turned a corner in 2018 and put in an excellent season. So what is it in 2019? Is his style doomed in the juiced ball era? LOB%, BABIP, HR/FB, hard hit %, etc. are up. Or is he just unlucky and you're going to get a 3.50 ERA/FIP/xFIP guy? The peripherals suggest his ERA should be a point lower. He's arguably the same pitcher he was last year, the one that did put up good numbers that were legit...it's either luck or the juiced ball hurting him.
  3. Well isn’t Saladino like Alex Wilson, who also never would’ve made the team if not for several injuries? I mean, this is exactly what the Brewers did. The injuries happened and then they went out and paid for Gio. Then more injuries and underperformance and they had to go to further down tier and get Lyles.
  4. The trickle down effect of not having a reliable guy like Lyles available in the pen is you have Corbin Burnes getting overexposed in MLB with no better options, not to mention a firewall against the Burch Smiths and Jake Petrickas of the world. I’m not saying he would have ably filled in for Knebel or anything. But the marginal cost of keeping Lyles over the pitchers who pitched instead is say $2 million. The Brewers will have nearly $140MM in payroll expenses this year. That’s less than 1.5% of payroll for insurance. That’s worth it to me. Well it was $3.5 FWIW. Should we also have bought a $4-5 million dollar SS to shield against Saladino getting regular time as well? Where do we draw the line? What if Lyles was the ST injury? *mind blown*
  5. Yah, pitchers get injured in spring training. I don’t think this is controversial. It’s not...but when you lose 2 of your assumed stud bullpen arms I think you are severely overvaluing how much difference a swing man is going to make. Heck, they even covered themselves somewhat quickly by getting a comparable/better pitcher in Gio and HE got hurt. Just not their year in injury/performance of pitchers.
  6. If you foresaw Knebel and Jeffress getting injured during spring training, requiring the need for the Alex Wilson experience, I'd like to know what Wednesday's Powerball numbers are. Split it with you, 60% you, 40% me. Who could foresee pitching injuries in spring training. For only the bargain cost of $2.5 million every year we could sign or keep an extra vet like Lyles to protect against what you say are predictable injuries. Then, 10 years from now we’ll have basically lit $25 million on fire over a decade for replacement-level insurance policies that would’ve been worth it maybe once in that span.
  7. Yeah, I think Nightengale was trying to find a way to say, "man, if this is what it costs for Lyles, the market is going to be pretty steep!" and be cute and mold 2 ongoing trade rumors together to suggest the cost...but in the end it made no sense.
  8. That Tweet doesn't make any sense to me. I think he's just trying to make a comment on how steep the price is for pitching right now...but as noted in here...what team lines up? Who is giving up an ace and values 2 months of Grandal or Moustakas as a major piece back? MAYBE Cleveland is in that sell now/buy now position but they really don't need either of them.
  9. What good does Grandal do the Mets? At least with Stroman they have him for next year. Other than maybe some salary chopping that part doesn't make sense.
  10. I'd assume it means more of a LHB OF for the future. Granted, that's also Gamel but Gamel is in the perfect role and controllable for the Brewers.
  11. He can go out and do that this offseason. Most teams are not able to recover from losing their best pitcher for 6 weeks, the assumed other young stud failing this year, another young player being forced into being better as a bullpen guy, and 2-3 other injuries to rotation options.
  12. I posed this on Twitter the other day. One stop shopping in Arizona: Zack Greinke, Robbie Ray and Archie Bradley If the Brewers could eat a substantial amount of the 2 years+ $80m+ left on Greinke's deal, might Arizona be willing to deal Ray and Bradley for a lesser prospect package. I still think it would cost Dubon, Ray and Lutz type package but, if the financials work, I think that trade immediately vaults the Brewers above the Cubs and Cardinals in the Central. A rotation that has a top 3 of Woodruff, Ray and Greinke would be real nice. The problem is the payroll would approach $170-180M. Not affordable in any way, shape, or form. I'm not sure it would get that high. This year's payroll would be $135 in the end given that they'd pay a little over $10 for the rest of the season. Next year they could probably get back down to $130 if they make minimal moves and do not pick up options on Anderson, Thames or non-tender Shaw. Of course not all of those things are necessary. The following year, Braun would be mostly off the books. You're right that the payroll would be too high but I think if they were very crafty they could keep it around $130-140, which is probably still unrealistic.
  13. OK so first of all everyone that has said this so far (and will continue to on this thread)... Put yourself in December 2018 mindset. Assume that you at least understand the acquisition of Claudio. Remember that you had high hopes for Burnes. Please tell me who you are cutting from the opening day pitching staff so that you may pay Jordan Lyles $2.5 million dollars. I'll hang up and listen. Taylor Williams? Jacob Barnes? They both pitched game #2 of the season. Its just a bungle of the roster. I don't care that they let him go (even if I disagree with it based on who replaced him), but to then give away talent to get him back is silly. This is seriously the strangest hindsight "the management is screwing stuff up" anger I've really ever witnessed. There are reasons (no options for Lyles to give necessary flexibility) and the fact that he's been probably about as good as Williams over the bulk of the season to suggest very plausible reasons and a "meh" thought but people just love to get mad...even when the results end up suggesting it probably didn't affect the Brewers.
  14. Pittsburgh promised him a rotation spot. So the Brewers sticking him in the pen probably wasn’t his first choice. Milwaukee had a club option on Lyles. So you're one of the 3 people on that thread that were trumpeting his great start and suggesting the Brewers really messed up. Then he crashed back down to earth. I'm happy to have him, he's a solid MLB arm with some potential to get hot. And yet you're still banging this drum that we majorly screwed up even with his 5.35 ERA. Ok then.
  15. Either Barnes or Williams. Both had options. Also would have made the Alex Wilson experience unnecessary. Pittsburgh promised him a rotation spot. So the Brewers sticking him in the pen probably wasn’t his first choice. Yes, this. Two to tango.
  16. OK so first of all everyone that has said this so far (and will continue to on this thread)... Put yourself in December 2018 mindset. Assume that you at least understand the acquisition of Claudio. Remember that you had high hopes for Burnes. Please tell me who you are cutting from the opening day pitching staff so that you may pay Jordan Lyles $2.5 million dollars. I'll hang up and listen.
  17. I could be wrong but I don't see the Padres giving up on him. He was expected to be a pretty big piece for them going into this year. One iffy year would not suggest they should sell him, IMO.
  18. This was discussed in the Lyles thread that there was no room for him on the major league roster. I'm assuming the assets to acquire him will be, "Rest of Contract Taken On" who probably is the 3rd string catcher for Biloxi.
  19. Has to be Yates. I guess they could do something like sell off Lamet but I can't imagine another headliner other than Yates. Maybe they'd throw in Stammen or a young(ish) pitcher that they've given up on like Lauer.
  20. The issue here would be KC would have to be motivated to move him. Maybe they are if they think he's just a middle-of-the-rotation guy but you'd still have to give up someone with arguably a higher ceiling than him.
  21. On one hand we don't have much to lose given the alternative to Bundy is AAA fodder...on the other hand, you'd better be pretty certain you know what's wrong with Bundy immediately or you're going to waste the rest of 2019 with him getting shelled finding out and you're going to give up prospects in doing so.
  22. Don’t want Bauer anywhere near the Brewers clubhouse. Other than Cleveland being ravaged with injuries this year and not adding enough on offense, therefore putting them at only 19 games over .500, what in the past few years of Cleveland's performance would suggest that he's going to be a locker room problem? Now, I have concerns on the pitcher himself given he's falling back to pre-2017 form and do think he's a bit crazy...but if he's a locker room problem, it doesn't really seem so in the W-L column.
  23. Does Tulo get paid his 2020 salary? From my understanding, guys that retire forfeit the remaining salary. However, he was already cut by Toronto and therefore they pretty much were paying him the dead money...and therefore he can retire and still gets paid out?
  24. The agents for Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado are ROTFL. The Hosmer move was pretty clearly an ownership thing and while I probably don't want Machado's deal...eh, he's doing pretty well so far.
  25. I'd probably just pass on Russell. There may still be something there but I don't think he's a huge upgrade at this point. Throw in the baggage (yes, I, too, will let everyone know that I am boldly against domestic abuse on here) and it probably isn't worth sending anything of value for Russell. I honestly didn't understand why the Cubs jumped through so many hoops to give him more chances. It feels dirty, but if he was a really could player you could somewhat understand it but Russell's offense has fizzled and his defense is good but I can go get his production elsewhere.
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