OldSchoolSnapper

Looking at the silver list again I can see what happened. Most of the silver stuff I picked were pipe dreams. Family play day, BP on the field and Yelich. After that they're all interchangeable to me. Oh well. I hope the book is at least good, lol. And my blue is useless too. I'm out of town for the movie night. I wonder if I can swap it out for the scraps that are left.

Just got the SSH rewards email and to say I'm disappointed would be an understatement. My silver reward was a Bud Selig autographed book which I'm skeptical I even ranked at all. Last year I got my first choice. Since tenure plays a role I'm not sure how that's even possible. I selected them ASAP too and renewed early. I figured there was a good chance I would not get the Yelich print that I picked #1 but I can't imagine a Bud Selig print was in my top six. What a bummer.

Yep, it was a perfect storm of nonsense that kept the Bucks out of the Finals. It really sucks to know that FVF getting hot cost the Bucks a championship. They didn't do themselves any favors shooting the ball, but it still sucks.

I think the difference between the overall fitness of Embiid and Giannis is a significant thing especially given how long and grueling the regular season + playoffs is. Giannis has the look of someone that could play 48 minutes a night for three weeks. I'm just not seeing a roster in the East that will have any any answer for the Bucks. When you take Kawhi off the the Raptors it's just not the same regardless of their record.

This appears to be getting worse by the day which is pretty incredible considering where it started.

The only thing that worries me about PHI is that it is the exact same narrative as to why they can't beat the Bucks that the Raps had going last year. They were not deep and would "get tired." The 76ers just haven't been that good though. They have to be in the discussion for most disappointing teams in the East. Their fans are extremely obnoxious too. It's not generally not a good practice to read opposing team's boards, but their vibe after the last game was basically "The Bucks aren't that good, we can take these guys."

OK, you are right, sorry.

No, your deal of endlessly pursuing pissing matches. I know the difference between someone who wants a source, which is about 5% of people on Internet, and the other 95% who just want the source to pick it apart and insult the person posting it. You have a bizarre history specifically with me, to the point that I'm starting to think you actually know me from somewhere and have some problem. "I'm guessing it is comically vague or doesn't exist." You're right.

Going out on a limb here that you spent exactly 0 time because it is comically easy to find this via Google. I'm not posting it because I know your deal.

This is all I've been saying and that it just not a linear comparison with other teams who've been good for 3-5 seasons without a title. It's not that simple. There is a very clear championship expectation here with Giannis and the team as constructed. It is not like there are 5 teams in the East all at about the same level. It's not like a team where the best player is Blake Griffin, there is a heightened expectation and lack of patience when you're doing it with LeBron/Giannis/Kobe. So the notion that Bud could win 55+ games for 3-4 years and get fired is not as absurd as it looks on its face. Here is what you originally said: If the Bucks don't win the East, Bud's job is in jeopardy. Then you said this: Not this summer but that isn't what I meant. His seat is absolutely hot if they win 60+ games two years in a row Then this: So the Bucks could win 60 games for four years, miss the Finals four times, and he'll remain the coach? There have been coaches fired after successful runs. Most because they had to coach Cleveland: Dwane Casey won 59 games for the Raps but couldn't get past LeBron. Raps won it all the next year when, surprise, LeBron left the east. David Blatt made it to the Finals then was fired mid-year the next year with a 30 - 11 record. Probably because LeBron didn't like him or something. Also the Cavs owner is an idiot. Mike Brown was canned after a 61 win season when they lost in the 2nd round. Also, did I mention the Cavs owner is an idiot? So yes, if the Bucks continue to win 60 games and lose in the ECF I am confident Bud will be here. If they start losing in the 2nd round then maybe they make a change. All this hinges on Giannis though. If he goes, then Bud won't be winning 60 games. Well aware of what I said, but you can't just rip it out of context and pretend I'm changing my position. I assumed that people understood I was not saying Bud would be fired at the end of this season. How could any reasonable person think that is going to happen? When I sad his job would be in jeopardy, I was referring to his "hot seat" heading into 2021, which I think is a fair statement. The first two statements you chose to use are me making the same point, clarifying it in my second. His job being in jeopardy does not mean he's getting fired, either. You then said he would not be fired as long as they win 60 games, that he could do that in perpetuity and his job is safe. I think you are wrong. Don't make it sound like I was moving the goal post. I wasn't. I was replying to that statement.

Good thing we can always count on you to send things in a more positive direction by coming in and talking down to everyone. If he now knows how we feel then it was worth it.

I love behind the plate, I don't like feeling like one false step and I'm tumbling into the loge. I keep saying next year I'm upgrading, but I need a 2nd seat that loves baseball just a little bit more to justify it. I find the terrace "fine," but whenever I upgrade to infield box I realize how much more I love it down there.

Lol, yeah it is. The only reason I brought it up is because everyone knows what the Bucks are right now. We are basically napping until the 2nd round of the playoffs and the hypotheticals are more fun to think about than the 40th team we dropped 130 points on last night.

I feel like this has been said about 10 times now, but nobody, including me, was suggesting Bud would be fired after this season. That discussion is 100% going to start making the rounds a lot more often though, if they do not win the East this year. And I believe it would be red-hot after 3 years if Bud was not tied to Giannis returning. It also was not negative or pessimistic. It was merely an observation that the Bucks are in a unique position. They transformed overnight from blah to contender, but because of the situation they're in with Giannis, there is potentially a lot less patience to win big than there otherwise would be. It's a perfect storm of things that might make the coach's job less safe than it looks at face value. Like we have both said though, we both think it is moot because they will win the conference this year. I don't think they will even be tested in the East and would be fairly surprised if anyone takes them to 6. I think they are that much better and have not even had their foot on the gas this year.

This is all I've been saying and that it just not a linear comparison with other teams who've been good for 3-5 seasons without a title. It's not that simple. There is a very clear championship expectation here with Giannis and the team as constructed. It is not like there are 5 teams in the East all at about the same level. It's not like a team where the best player is Blake Griffin, there is a heightened expectation and lack of patience when you're doing it with LeBron/Giannis/Kobe. So the notion that Bud could win 55+ games for 3-4 years and get fired is not as absurd as it looks on its face.

I already forwarded a pair to someone for a week I'm out of town. No issues.

Sort of weird thing I'm noticing but my tickets are worse this year? Or maybe "better," depending on how their system works? Last year was my 2nd year, and I moved up immediately almost every game to the front row of the terrace (usually 8 or 9), however I was usually along a baseline. This year I'm behind the plate nearly every game, but back to the 13th row. I think I liked it the other way. Oh well.

Hit "view all" in the top. Looks like they are all there for the season.

Yes but this has been one of my points. Just because something is false doesn't mean it won't become the narrative. Coaches get unfair narratives all the time.

This is exactly where I'm coming from particularly the first sentence. Someone posted in another thread that the "better team advances" rate is something like 80% in the NBA. The Bucks are clearly the best team. In hindsight, I'm not so sure they were last year, edging out TOR by 2 games or something in the regular season in which Kawhi missed a bunch of time. But this year they definitely are. Until there's a migration of superstars to the East, failing to win this conference 2, 3, or 4 years in a row is an inexcusable failure. Something that is much more likely to cost a coach his job than Doc Rivers not getting out of the Western Conference bloodbath.

Yes, but the big difference is that in all those season with the Clips, there is not one season in which they were a favorite to win the West, certainly never close to as clear a favorite as the Bucks are. This would be a different conversation if the Bucks were head to head with prime GSW, LeBron's Lakers or Boston's Big Three just to get to the Finals. I don't think anyone is going to be as forgiving if the Bucks can't win the East with Giannis, and they shouldn't be IMO. I don't think this year's Raptors are even close to the kind of team that would get the Bucks a pass for losing. We can say nothing is guaranteed but the Bucks should win this conference running away.

Well, sure. I mean if you're winning 50 games you are going to be employed somewhere. But I still think the Bucks situation is unique and comparisons like this don't give you the full perspective. They are under immense pressure to win with this roster, there is a lot of capital invested in this team right now and they are trying to prove to the world's best player that they can be a dynasty. He does not need to leave to have a legacy up there with the greats, which fairly or not, requires lots of championships. On the bolded part: That can be completely true but doesn't necessarily mean people will react that way. There are teams in the NBA that spend years winning 50-55 games, but everyone knows they're not REALLY title contenders. Most of OKC's recent history for example. If the Bucks go down that road, like their 80s teams, that is an enormous failure. I think that the Bucks, as they stand right now, have a much higher expectation on them than most winning teams. This isn't like they have Chris Paul and Paul George. They have a guy who's embarrassing the league. He's playing 2/3 of most games and still humiliating everybody. I think that the current Bucks ownership has shown under a small sample that they don't really make impulsive emotional decisions, but I do think their situation is unique.

Just curious, do *you* think the Bucks should consider a coaching change under these scenarios? Or do you just think ownership may consider it? In regards to expectations, maybe the timing was coincidental with Giannis coming into his own and the right pieces being added to the team, or maybe it was my longtime pessimistic view of the Bucks, but I certainly had no championship aspirations for this team before I saw what Coach Bud was able to do with them. The change from the Kidd years to Bud's arrival has been so instantaneously stark I can't imagine not attributing a large portion of that to the coaching. It's pretty unfathomable to me to think a coaching change would somehow improve this teams' chances of winning a championship. If Giannis were not a FA after next season, I could definitely see ownership being pretty displeased, but that adds a wrinkle to the whole situation. It's really unlikely if not impossible that Giannis would re-sign and then they fire the coach a week before or after. If you're asking my opinion, yes, I would move on from Bud after a 4th year of 60 wins and not even winning the East. That's more than enough opportunity to prove you're a championship coach. It could just as easily be some glaring flaw with the personnel, but the coaches usually get blamed first. I think he's a great coach, but something would have to change if you can't get Giannis out of the East in four seasons.

So the Bucks could win 60 games for four years, miss the Finals four times, and he'll remain the coach? Find that very hard to believe. The ownership of this team is not supermaxing Giannis and paying Middleton darn near it to lose conference finals. Yes. That's fine but I don't agree. After four years of not even making the Finals I cannot see them sitting on their hands. We'll probably never see this happen as it would require some incredible ineptitude not to get Giannis to win the East in four tries.

I haven't said this and have made the opposite as clear as I can. The third season is weird because if Giannis decided to leave it just throws everything up in the air. Then it's probably doubly weird to get Giannis to resign and then bring in a new coach, that's just not going to happen unless there's some major rift between those two and he says he wants him fired.