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3) He also tried stealing third with two guys on and no one out. When telling this story to my brother when he gets home ... for folklore's sake ... is it accurate to say Segura stole 1st and 2nd ... and unsuccessfully stole 2nd and 3rd in the same inning and the Brewers didn't score a run? He did not steal first, that is illegal. He did attempt to steal 2nd base twice in an inning with only 1 PA (and not entering as a PH)

Germany Schaefer "He gained his greatest notoriety for "stealing first base," a maneuver that led to a rule change." ""The Prince," as he was often called because of his flashy showmanship on the field" "Schaefer reportedly launched a long home run out of Philadelphia's Columbia Park and razzed the left-hander as he trotted around the bases. Carrying his bat with him, Schaefer pretended it was a gun, "shooting" Rube [Waddell] as he moved from bag to bag." " during a steady rain he once appeared at the plate wearing rubber boots and a raincoat, and he once ventured to the plate sporting a fake black mustache. In both instances, his outlandish behavior reportedly resulted in his ejection. In addition, Schaefer was a master of the hidden-ball trick, which he performed in the 1907 World Series." "On at least one occasion Schaefer stole first base. On August 4, 1911, in the bottom of the ninth, Schaefer stole second, hoping to draw a throw and allow teammate Clyde Milan, who was on third with the potential winning run, to steal home. White Sox catcher Fred Payne didn't fall for the gambit, however, so Schaefer, now on second, took his lead toward the first-base side of the bag and promptly stole first on a subsequent pitch. Sox manager Hugh Duffy came out to argue, and while Duffy jawed with umpire Tommy Connolly, Schaefer scampered for second again. This time Schaefer got caught in a rundown, as had been his intention, and Milan dashed for home, where he was nipped to end the inning. Schaefer and his teammates then argued unsuccessfully that the play should be nullified because the White Sox had ten players on the field, although Duffy hadn't been an active player since 1908. The official scorer credited Schaefer with only one stolen base, but he "had a perfect right to go from second back to first," umpire Connolly insisted after the game. It has been widely reported that Schaefer also stole first base on another occasion, against Cleveland in 1908, although the details usually given are contradictory and the incident is almost certainly a fabrication."

Babe Ruth disagrees

No, Segura is entitled to the base IF THEY ARE BOTH ON THE BASE.

1) Segura was entitled to 2nd base because he was not forced to third. 2) Order doesn't matter, you can tag guys as much as you want, if they are out they are out

On the second tag Segura was still on the base, however Im not sure if you are allowed to run the bases in reverse order. It should not have been a doubleplay and this insane play was ruled correctly by the umps. I believe the "stealing first" idea came from old timer Germany Schafer, who would steal second on a failed double steal attempt, trying to draw the throw from the catcher to allow the R3 to score. THe catcher would not throw, so Schafer would steal first to set up a R1 R3 scenario again, and then re-try the double steal. Rule 7.08(i) (i) After he has acquired legal possession of a base, he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game. The umpire shall immediately call “Time” and declare the runner out; Rule 7.08(i) Comment: If a runner touches an unoccupied base and then thinks the ball was caught or is decoyed into returning to the base he last touched, he may be put out running back to that base, but if he reaches the previously occupied base safely he cannot be put out while in contact with that base.

Good job not bunting with Weeks

Braun might be out for passing the runner

Braun is NOT out if he was not tagged

I would bunt here if I thought Rickie could get it down. Weeks has 1 SH since 2008

Classic mistake from Barney. You tag the base and let him slide into your glove, not reach for the runner

I think the Rockies had all of their 14 infield hits in one inning against us

LOHROOGY Lefthanded One HR One Out GuY

OK, clearly the most exciting play in baseball is any play at the plate. Triples are stand up obvious ones half the time, and often same with IPHR or they wouldn't be sent home

Fastballs straight down the middle need to be faster than 89 please Mozzarella

its 0-2 and clearly hit the bat

As of right now Gallardo is a better hitter than Gonzo. If they end up with similar ABs Yo will out OPS him

Yup but he had some good timing with the DP balls tonight.

He was struggling against the 7 and 8 hitters. I didn't think throwing him back out there against the top of the order was a good idea. I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it. It could have very easily gone the other way, but I give Marco credit for toughing it out. Yeah but long term you can't pull guys in the 4th, it will kill the bullpen. Plus as was mentioned we had a lead so we could have at least waited for a HR/RISP to pull him. Even if he is looking hittable he can eat up inning using the Jeff Suppan anti Willie Keeler technique and hope they "hit em where they are"

Missing like that with a change-op is a bad thing

I'm still pretty surprised they are already bring up Burgos, pretty pumped for tomorrow

The point is they treat the different batting order positions differently. In their head, they are not in a vacuum facing the pitcher, they have to do different things in different spots in the order. The 4th spot is for "driving in runs" The 1st spot is for "getting on base" etc. Now I know in your view it is impossible for a human being to act differently in different situations, Weeks is a career X hitter so that is who he is, period.

Its not that dumb, its selfish but somewhat true. I mean it probably is less fun to run the bases with Yuni and Gomez striking out half the time or being in scoring position with the pitcher up

Gonzalez is clearly washed up and needs to retire

Is there a link available for when Weeks said, "I don't like batting 4th." "Soft-spoken Brewers second baseman Rickie Weeks aired an uncharacteristic request Thursday about his spot in the batting order: Anything but the five-hole. That's where Weeks finished last season, playing with a sprained left ankle during the Brewers' postseason run. Before voicing his dislike for that slot he might have been an option there again for manager Ron Roenicke. The leading contenders for the leadoff hole and the five-hole are Weeks and right fielder Corey Hart, each of whom has expressed some distaste for hitting fifth. Hart did not like hitting behind Prince Fielder, which is not a concern anymore since Fielder has signed with the Tigers. Weeks said his problem was with that spot itself. "Anything other than five, I'm good," Weeks said. "I feel like I'm not doing anything. You might have people [on base] in front of you, but once you drive them in, you feel like you're stagnant. The game kind of slows down to me." http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120223&content_id=26821386&vkey=news_mil&c_id=mil Close enough