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Estrada is traded at mid-season for a good 1B man Gallardo is traded in the off-season for a couple top prospects 3B Prospect and a pitching prospect I'm not confident that Thornburg will be moved to the rotation, but at this time I believe Nelson, and Fiers should they continue blowing away AAA will get priority. I do think Thornburg will become dominate again in the bullpen. Not pitching for 5 days was a poor move unless he was hurt or there was a good reason why RR made that move.

I'd trade him for an above average 3B and 1B prospect. 2 top 20 prospects We are set with pitching.

true, but Cain was also. There was an article on it from KC. Am I the only one who remembers this stuff? geez

This post is just full of fail. First of all, I did not forget Lorenzo Cain. He was never a Top 100 Prospect, and I have not included prospects that failed to reach the Top 100. Otherwise, I would be stuck in this topic forever. We traded 3 prospects that were ranked in the Top 100, or soon would be: Jeremy Jeffress (#100 prospect, 2009), Jake Odorizzi (#69 prospect, 2011), and Alcides Escobar (#12 prospect, 2010). So, again, you're wrong. Again, see my last post. You seem to have this fixation that MLB players (and by that, you mean MLB players on the 25 man roster) and prospects are mutually exclusive. Until a player exceeds the threshold for rookie status, a player can still be both a Major League player on a 25 man roster, and a prospect. Lorenzo Cain was the must have in the deal for Greinke.

Sigh. You are 100% WRONG. When everybody else is telling you that you are wrong, maybe you should consider that you do not know what you are talking about ?! A player being on a Major League Team's 25 man roster does not in any way preclude them from being listed as a prospect. From MLB.com's Top 100 Prospect page: To summarize: A player can be considered a prospect when they have rookie eligibility. A player has rookie eligibility when they have not exceeded 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched, or 45 days on the active roster of a Major League team (or teams) during the 25-player limit period. Ergo, a player can be on a Major League team's 25 man roster, and still be considered both a rookie and a prospect. Capiche? Did Escobar exceed the referenced 45 day limit? The 40 man roster for the 2009 season began on September 1st. Alcides Escobar was on the 25 man roster, first being brought up on August 12th. From August 12th to August 31st is 20 days. He did not exceed 45 days during the 25-player limit period. Answer? No. What about the 130 at bat maximum. Did he exceed that? Escobar had 4 at bats in 2008. He had another 125 at bats in 2009, for a total of 129 at bats. Answer? No. So... -He hadn't exceeded the number of days (45) on the 25-player limit period. AND -He hadn't accumulated more than 130 at bats. Therefore (gasp), he was still considered a rookie prospect prior to the 2010 season! Now... Organizational rankings are done by Baseball America prior to the start of the season, in very late March or early April. They do not do them again until the following spring. So, when scouts discuss a team's farm system, it is based on start of the year talent. It would be impossible for scouts to adjust their farm system-talent assessment with every player trade, every promotion to the Majors, and every injury. So, let's now examine your assessment that "the Brewers had a bad farm system" immediately before acquiring Shaun Marcum and Zack Greinke, shall we? First of all, let's review the Milwaukee Brewer prospects that appeared in Baseball America's Top 100 for the 2010 season: Alcides Escobar #12 Brett Lawrie #59 Mat Gamel #89 And just where did Baseball America have the Milwaukee Brewers farm system ranked out of 30 teams? http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9167/g81k.png Thirteenth, a year after being ranked 10th. Want to look for yourself? Here's the link: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2010-organization-talent-rankings-9739/ You'd have to log in to see it, so you need to be a member. I don't know what analysts you were talking to, but we had 3 excellent prospects with others that would make it into the top 100 the next season. Escobar was one of the elite prospects in baseball, and Gamel soon would be, as would Lawrie. Stop this untenable argument, and just admit you are wrong. Because, well, you are. The Brewers farm system was held in high regard prior to the parent club's acquisitions of Greinke and Marcum. Consider I have my own difinition of what prospect is and I believe the top 100 and top 50 lists are a waste of time and effort I can't admit that. I'm sorry. I was right back then and I"m right now.

i have to agree. Why is this guy on the team again?

That was the worse AB I've ever seen.

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I'm in favor of trading Gallardo at mid-season for a big bat and seeing what Thornburg, Fiers, or Nelson can do. They have got to be better than him and last longer in a game.

Wandy will give up another HR. Don't you worry.

WOW! I jinxed Weeks in a good way... I said it would take him 2 weeks to get 2 XBH and he does it in half the time and with a HR!!!!!! Guys this is so rare I hope it continues then we trade him.

There's no reason why we should lose this game in my opinion.

Considering that despite having what analysts call bad farm system, and the fact that despite all of that DM still pulls of these trades and get's other GM's to bite tells me that we have a damn good GM and that the analysts must be very confused. Look your totally correct I think the whole prospect ranking system is pointless and needs to go away and there just needs to be a top 15 list and that's it. I also believe scouting reports change within the same season, meaning what it says at the start isn't what it will be in the middle and end due to adjustments. I really could careless about these analysts. They are becoming extinct with all of this new and available statistical data. Any fan can be one.

I was correct, because those players at that time that Stache listed were on the "Brewers" 25 man roster and not prospects. Peralta isn't a prospect. He lost that status last season. Odorizzi however was a prospect, and so was Lawrie, However I was mainly referring to the Grenkie trade, because at that time Lawrie was already traded and gone. The other players Stache listed were on the Brewers 25 man roster and starting for the Brewers. Escobar was manning SS, Cain was in CF, Jeffress was in the bullpen, you get the point. People were is shock that the Brewers would give up those starting "MLB" players for Greinke. Notice that since they were already playing a major role with the Brewers by mid-season fans weren't considering them prospect anymore. They weren't, which makes my other point in that perception was we had nothing to give up to get Greinke or not enough in terms of prospects. I do like being right; especially with how much I've been right with dating back to last September. I just know this team so well. Can't help it. Remember you brought this up not me.

Dude. You're wrong. Just be grateful that 'Stache provided the information for you to review... that was an excellent response from him. He posted Major league players that wern't considered farm system, because they were starting for the Brewers and on the 25 man roster. He also forgot Lorenzo Cain. Escobar, Cain, Jeffress were all on the major league roster. The only prospect we gave up for Greinke was Odorizzi and I think some other a-ball or aa- pitcher. Even Gamel I believe was called up and on the major league team. You'll have to explain to me along with Stache if we had such a great farm why did we have to trade MLB players to get Greinke with only 1 good prospect?

Logan, It's not my fault you guys have bad memories. If you can't debate the post don't quote it. Stache's and hiandtights posts were linked.

No, we aren't. Not even close. You're dreaming. Which franchises have better Major League talent than Milwaukee? Off the top of my head? Washington. Los Angeles. Detroit. Boston. Baltimore. Texas. St. Louis. Atlanta. I'd take the Major League talent those franchises have over Milwaukee any day of the week. If we're talking organizational talent, that list grows quickly. Braun, Gomez, Peralta, and Lucroy are stars, or are stars in the making. Segura and Davis have potential. Segura showed it in the first half last year, as did Davis. They're struggling in their second go round. Time will tell if they can figure it out. Ramirez and Gallardo are nice players, but both are on the decline. Ramirez can't stay healthy anymore. Gallardo is having a nice start to the season, but his velocity is down. Who else do we have that is so talented? We have nobody at first or third anywhere else in the organization that one can point to and say "they're coming". Jimmy Nelson could be good. Tyler Thornburg has shown flashes. Tyrone Taylor and Orlando Arcia are the two guys in the minors I really want to see in two years. But compare those guys against a team like the Marlins. Even Miami compares favorably to our team. Giancarlo Stanton is the best power hitter in the game. Jose Fernandez is the best young pitcher in the game, and will be when he comes back from Tommy John. Christian Yelich is a stud, and he's going to win batting titles. And they are loaded with young talent-Marcel Ozuna, Jake Marisnick, Andrew Heaney, Justin Nicolino and Colin Moran. No, we did not have a bad farm system. Keep reading, and be enlightened. Hiandtight mentioned the following players: Wily Peralta Brett Lawrie Jeremy Jeffress Mat Gamel Jake Odorizzi Alcides Escobar Here is where they have been ranked in the Top 100 Prospects in baseball, per Baseball America (bold designates ranking with another organization): Wily Peralta 69 (2011), 56 (2012) Brett Lawrie 81 (2009), 59 (2010), 40 (2011) Jeremy Jeffress 100 (2009) Mat Gamel 34 (2009), 89 (2010) Jake Odorizzi 69 (2011), 68 (2012), 92 (2013), 67 (2014) Alcides Escobar 19 (2009), 12 (2010) Also: Matt LaPorta 23 (2008), 27 (2009) Manny Parra 72 (2008) So, again, I bring this quote back into play: Between 2008 and 2009, the two years before our trades for Greinke and Marcum, we had six players that ranked in the top 100 prospects in baseball. Your contention that we had a bad farm system is patently false. In fact, we had 4 elite (top 50) prospects in Matt LaPorta, Alcides Escobar, Mat Gamel and Brett Lawrie. see my post to hiand tight above.

I'll reiterate. The Brewers farm system was ranked between 10th and 13th that year from the sites that I look at. And who cares if Escobar was in the big leagues? He was 23 years old. Gamel had very little major league experience. He was 24. The Brewers had 10 prospects with B rankings going into the 2010 season and Peralta and Odorizzi were ranked 7th and 8th....in the Brewers. Doesn't seem like the experts were calling our farm system "garbage." So this narrative you've created that nobody thought the Brewers had talent is simply false. You start out the argument by saying you don't care what the "so called experts," say because they said how bad our farm system was when we traded for Marcum and Greinke(and then follow that up by claiming they thought Peralta was garbage). You think they were proven wrong as a result of the Marcum and Greinke trade, yet the Brewers traded several players who had played in the big leagues already for Grienke(Which you seem to dismiss for some reason). And you come back with, "of course Peralta should have been highly rated, he's an ace," despite the fact that you just claimed everyone thought he was garbage. I feel like the goal posts keep moving here. You make a claim, in this instance that the experts always understate the Brewers talent. When that's proven wrong, you add this new qualifier and just dismiss the facts. Similar to what you did with Peralta. Who by the way, is NOT an ace yet. He's pitching great, but Clayton Kershaw, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Lester, Strausburg, Waingwright, Grienke, Sale, Fernandez, these guys are aces. Peralta is a good young pitcher. They had major league experience or were on the major league ball club. At that point they aren't considered prospects. They are MLB players. Odorizzi, Lawrie were pretty much it. Everybody else was in the Majors. If you look at that Greinke trade how many players were from the MLB ball club? I counted 3 and they were the main pieces. Why did we have to trade them, because we had no one else left in the Minors, because Lawrie was traded for Marcum already, which left Odorizzi. Also, I challege you to bring up that trade thread on Greinke and look at how many here were shocked that we got him with such a depleated farm system. Those players we traded could have very easily been major pieces to the Brewers future plans and were looking pretty good in the Majors.. There's a difference between a #1 and an Ace. You named the aces. Peralta is past a #2 and is now a #1. Look at what he did yet again today. He starts pitching complete games he will be an ace. Also, Stach I was talking about the year of the Greinke/Marcum trades. LaPorta was traded prior for CC Sabathia. He doesn't count in this debate.

Lucroy will save the day.

Hiandtight, Most of those players you mentioned were in the majors and weren't considered prospects Except Lawrie and Odorizzi. Peralta should have been ranked in the top 50. He is an ace. Include what he did last season. Braun has been fine so far this season with his production I expect no change. Your scenario wont happen with the offense.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h396/dlk9s/_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png Driving 7 hours to a Brewers game then 7 hours back you gotta go all out and have a blast.

I'm not saying that you are lying, but I do not think you are telling the truth either... I'm telling the truth. I don't go to all 3 game in the series and I travel to Milwaukee 2-3 times a year and been going to miller Park since it opened. I have family in Brookfield. I've been very fortunate. 7 hour drive one way. I drive a lot anyways so it's not a big deal.

What are you even talking about here? When we traded for Marcum and Greinke we had a pretty well rated farm system. Peralta was a well regarded prospect while he was in the minors. If you ask the analysts we had a bad farm system with 1 good prospect in Lawrie. Yeah, they were totally shocked when we landed BOTH Marcum and Greinke. Many here were also.

In his last 140 games, Segura is hitting .266 with an OBP south of .300. That's not a slump, it's an indicator. I call it the same thing. The reason why I call it the same thing is because an adjustment is needed in both circumstances. I look at Davis and Segura and the adjustments they need to make aren't that complex. It will take "some" time and getting used to, but they are young and will listen and take some pitches. Yes, it is that simple. Gomez went through the same thing, but he had years in the majors prior, so it was harder for him. Segura and Davis are new.