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I completely agree on both counts. I don't think he'd cost a lot and former elite(or at least very good) prospects who are still 23-24-25 and have shown flashes are the type of guys I'd like to add. The same people talking about how bad these guys are were almost certainly talking about how bad Gomez was a couple of years ago and would have been against trading for him. It's never sexy to get a guy who's got a very low batting average and is struggling...but if you wait until they figure it out, you're not going to get them. Middlebrooks for a C prospect.

If these are holding true in another month, I'll definitely agree with you. But every team has some really bad players on their teams right now. Veterans who didn't pan out. Overbay should be gone today. Herrera is a big problem because who else are our options? I think we'll try and trade for a utility IF'er. It's one of the reasons I like that they're playing Arcia and Rivera at 2nd and SS right now. Developing utility IF'ers is obviously underrated but important. The third one, I think we likely would have just signed someone like Reynolds. There really weren't much better options. And Ramirez is usually a slot starter. Had we not signed him, it's likely that we would have given these guys even more at bats, or an older Lyle Overbay version. Hunter Morris+Taylor Green+Bianchi for Falu, Herrera and Overbay would be a nice start IMO. More punch from the left side and versatility. Plus both Green and Morris look like clear upgrades. Bianchi has to stay because he's a very good defender and we need someone to backup SS.

Yeah, he's been doing it...just as pretty much every manager in baseball has been doing it. So if it's biting Ron's "stupid head," then it's biting just about every managers "stupid head." I don't watch many games that aren't Brewer games but how often do the Brewers' opponents run into outs at the plate? I'm sure it happens occasionally but it sure does not happen as often as the Brewers do it. That's on Ron. You think it's at all possible that is because when the Brewers make an out at home it stands out more? These are the types of knee jerk reactions that come about when you root for a team and a specific play sticks in your head. Hell, someone literally said that Gomez was the worst base runner on the team. I'm also guessing you take for granted the several-several times Gomez has made things happen on the base paths(or Segura) like an error on a throw to 2nd. Here are some actual facts, not perceptions we have from watching the team we root for. The Brewers lead major league baseball in taking extra bases. The Brewers have made 5 outs at home. Only 4 teams in the NL have made FEWER outs at home. The Brewers are exactly at the league average in makings outs on the base paths with 16. Colorado has 24. The LAD, CWS, Tigers, STL, Philly are all teams with 4-8 more as well as several other teams atop or near the top of their division. So you certainly can't be "sure," that the Brewers are thrown out at home on plays like these during RR's tenure. Sure, it's easy to insult Roenicke with third grade insults(stupid head) but the facts don't bear it out. The Brewers are a good base running team, and of the few plays here or there that have been ugly, not one "cost," us a game, merely cost us a shot at tying games up and potentially winning later, and as such, certainly isn't costing us a playoff spot. But it sure is easy to take shots at Roenicke every day.

I love Yo and everything he's done for the Brewers, but I'd love it even more if they could swing a trade for a team in need of a starting pitcher and trade Yo while his value is still pretty high....however unlikely it is to happen.

Morales? They can find a better 1B man than that with the farm system they have. Agree about keeping Nelson up. Release Weeks and trade for a good 2B/SS backup player. Start Gennett full time. The more he sees LHP the better he will get. Weeks is hurting his development. It's time to improve the bench and Melvin needs to wake up an do it and realize he doesn't have good backup options in the Brewers system. Rickie Weeks is swinging the bat REALLY well right now. Even when he's not getting hits, he's hitting the ball very hard. He's hit a couple ropes right at the CF'er. The Brewers at the very least should hold onto him while he's hot if you're best idea is to just waive Weeks. Second, we're trying to win this year. I'm more concerned with the fact that Gennett has a .330 OPS vs left handed pitchers. Not OBP, OPS. Weeks on the other hand has a .782 OPS vs left handers(though he's hit right handers better than Gennett as well) this year and last year even when Weeks was awful he had an OPS of .705 vs lefties. He's so much better vs lefties than Gennett, based on his career thus far, he's basically another pitcher out there vs lefties. If we're stunting his growth this year, so be it. He's young enough to improve. Though I suspect he's probably going to be a guy who always needs to be platooned. Being a lefty, that's not a big deal if we can find a competent right handed utility IF'er. But if anything, Weeks should be starting and Gennett should be sent down...at least for right now. And who do we possibly have that has proven they can be better than Morales? Hunter Morris hasn't put up as good of an OPS the last two years and he's been in the minors while Morales has been playing in the AL West. He's good for a .270/.340 line and a ~.770-800 OPS and 20-25 HR's over a full season. We do not have anyone else in our system that can do that. Finally, if they want to leave Nelson up, I'm all for it. But not with a 6 man rotation. Sent Yo to the DL. Make sure his ankle heals. When he comes off of it, send another starter to the DL to keep them fresh. Boston tried it a few years ago with mixed results(and it wasn't totally by choice). But better to keep these guys fresh. And I think Nelson is a significantly better pitcher than Estrada right now(FIP up to 5.42 and leading the league in HR's).

Ramirez has been worth 35.6 million dollars during his time in Milwaukee with 4 months to go on a 1st place team. And given his career OPS through May is under .800, and in the final 4 months of the season it's .847, .882, .912 and and .847, I wouldn't think any struggles in early on in the year was why people didn't like Rammy. The deals almost certainly going to turn out to be a good deal as a whole from the Brewers POV.

I agree, but if we went with the proposed trade, we would be returning our starting five from this year, along with Pederson in the OF and no Nelson in the minors. That trade was "sold" as "This could be a legit 2 year run at World Series competitiveness." In that light, Thornburg would almost certainly be used as a late inning reliever. So, after two full seasons in late inning relief, when we lose Gallardo, Lohse and Estrada to free agency after this 2-year run, Thornburg could already be considered the closer. At the very least, he would be two years removed from having been a starter. I don't think this is the best idea, but it is likely how it would play out if we traded our best prospect right now in order to go for it over the two-year window (this year and next) in which we have the current starting rotation. No, I don't think it's a good idea to trade a prospect like Nelson right now either. We've been desperate to develop good young starting pitching. Now we have it and we want to trade one of them? It just doesn't make any sense. And I keep hearing people who are jumping to the conclusion that Thornburg has pitched so well the Brewers are going to keep him in the pen, so I just assumed that's what you were saying. Yes, if they made a "all in," type trade to go for it for the next two years to win a WS, then chances are stronger he would be in the pen. But the last thing I want is for them to make any "all in," type move right now. This team is a nice team that MIGHT get guys healthy, have most things go right and make the playoffs. It's just as possible that they suffer injuries to a couple older players and finish with around 82-85 wins. I'd rather stay the course as I don't believe this trade makes us that much better in 2014, but makes us MUCH worst in 2015, '16, '17. I hope we add someone...Martin Prado is the guy I keep going to. But certainly not for a young prospect. And if you believe Khris Davis is going to become an all star type player, why on Earth would we trade him away along with Jimmy Nelson for what amounts to a decent short term upgrade, but not a substantial one, but hurts us significantly long term? So I agree with you on all counts. That's why if I'm the Brewers I trade away one of the guys from the current MLB roster and not Nelson. The Dodgers would very likely prefer "proven" to add to their staff right now, and the Brewers would be foolish to trade away a good MLB-ready guy who they control for six more years in order to hold onto Gallardo, Lohse and Estrada for a two-year window. Gallardo. Trade Gallardo. 1000 times, trade Gallardo before Nelson. He's been a good enough pitcher he still has value. He's pitched well enough this year his value has bounced back(if it was down). He's controlled through next year at a reasonable price, and we have in house options who are very good to replace him. Estrada(now sporting a 5.42 FIP) is not going to interest the Dodgers. I really like Lohse and is one of the rare players I think actually had a real impact on younger pitchers. Garza likely wouldn't interest them, and Peralta shouldn't be considered nor should Nelson. Brewcrewedue Monty- When it comes to pitching I feel that only Lohse or Peralta would be wanted by the Dodgers for Pederson(+some other prospect) I can't fathom why Milwaukee would trade away their top two Starters in a year they see themselves as Playoff Contenders. So to me LA would target Nelson for Pederson because that is just how the talks work out. LA doesn't want Estrada/Garza/Gallardo and the Brewers won't part with Lohse/Peralta. Brewcrew, and why wouldn't they want an established pitcher who's 28 years old like Gallardo? Especially pitching in the NL West with Petco and his home games in LA? Gallardo is almost 7 years younger, and even last year when he struggled his WAR was almost identical to Lohse. I do see Davis as having that potential .850+OPS ability. It just comes at the cost of being liable in the OF. That long term for Davis he's better playing a mix of DH/LF and not just LF. That is why I consider him expendable because his bat won't play up his defense overall. Davis isn't a liability in LF any more than Braun was. He doesn't have a very strong throwing arm. That comes in to play very rarely. His range is fine. He doesn't have a very strong arm. If you believe he's going to consistently put up an OPS north of .850, then you believe he's going to be one of the best LF'ers in the NL and you're giving up 5+ years from him. And you're then going to turn around and trade a young starting pitcher for a prospect that we're HOPING can put up those type of numbers. I don't know what to expect of Davis yet, but if you're convinced that he's going to be that good of a player, in 2 years we're very likely going to be looking back at that trade and kicking ourselves real hard.

I didn't see the play, but reading Gomez's explanation of his thought process, what he did seems far from a Little League play. Sounds like seasoned pro making a strategic call based on what he was seeing. Not everybody is as fast as he is. He made a stupid mistake. If he payed attention he should have seen Braun wasn't at home plate. A good base runner is aware of his surroundings at all times. Gomez is the worst base runner on the team, when he could be the best, that's alarming. This is just simply outrageous. If you want to call this a bad base running mistake, the worst of the season..the worst ever, fine. But to suggest he's a bad base runner is inane. Gomez is the best base runner on the team. He's the best base runner the Brewers have had in a long time. For every bad out he makes, he makes 5 very good plays on the base paths with his aggressive nature that puts pressure on the defense leading to bad throws on SB attempts that put him on 3rd. He's stolen 120 bags as a Brewer and has been thrown out 19 times for an 86 pct success rate. That's exceptional. Not counting the times he goes 1st to 3rd, stretches a single into a double, or whatever else. If you want to know who the worst base runner on the team is this year, it has GOT to be Khris Davis. But to suggest it's Gomez suggests you allow a few poor decisions to throughout the course of a year to outweigh the massive amount of great plays he makes on the bases. In fact, not only is he not the worst on the team, he's one of the better ones in the league. I'm baffled how you come to the conclusion that he's the "worst," on the team.

This is how Gomez plays. He's always made some foolish plays, but he's such a great player you have to live with them. Wish he would have stayed, but he didn't. But as far as this tearing the team apart and making the team go south, I've never believed in that, nor will I ever. Lets say Braun and Gomez hate each other. So what? Are they suddenly not going to try as hard when hitting? Are they going to pull up when they could catch balls in the OF? It's cool when a team has good chemistry, but not necessary in my opinion, a sentiment that's been echoed by numerous players. Baseball is 90% an individual sport. It's a series of one on one matchup's. Pitcher and catcher have to have chemistry and the SS and 2nd basemen have to have a little chemistry, but even then they don't have to like each other. A lot of teams had players who did not like each other. Kent and Bonds come to mind, but obviously there are countless others.

And for everyone one of these there are 5 things we've done right to counter it. I've yet to see a team make the playoffs that hasn't make mistakes throughout the season. But, for the record; 1-He "assumed," someone was warming up because he told someone to get warmed up. It's a pretty fair assumption and also a rare one. It's funny how great managers are when we're winning, but bad when we're losing. How about his lineup decision to hit Segura leadoff, Braun second, Luc 3rd and Gomez 4th? Or to go with K-Rod to start the season. Or the thousand other moves he's made? 2-Yeah, it really sucked that Gomez nullified a run. But that's who he is as a player. He's also been worth 10 WAR since the start of last season and is one of the top players in all of baseball right now. And if Braun's running hard, he scores. 3-Sure. Lucroy is one of our best hitters. And if he gets thrown out by a step at the plate, THAT is your reason for why we're "giving," games away. As it was, obviously we were running on contact there. But to pinch run for your catcher with the fastest guy on your bench there is a no-brainer. Now, as for the giving games away thing. One game Smith came in without having warmed up. A fluke situation. He said he was ready, threw a 93 MPH fastball on his first pitch, gave up a seeing eye single with the IF drawn in to give up 2 runs. The second game we lost 2-1. So at BEST if everything plays out as is, we are tied up. The third game, at best it's 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. Not exactly like we had big leads in each game. It's amazing how fickle we can be as fans sometimes. I thought the first post was ridiculous until I realized it was in fact tongue in cheek. You can go to every single close game and point to something that happened during that game and say this team or that team "gave," it away. Yeah, he's been doing it...just as pretty much every manager in baseball has been doing it. So if it's biting Ron's "stupid head," then it's biting just about every managers "stupid head." This just reminds me of the post(can't recall who it was) who said they go around to other teams boards and every fan base complains about their manager. Matheny was roughed up particularly bad in St Louis this year just as TLR did for a long time before him. It makes you wonder if there is a good manager in baseball out there?

Thank you. I don't know how I can make it any clearer. The top 4 players in this draft are considered to be elite. Scouts have absolutely raved about Exum's potential. At #12, the Bucks could still be in a position to draft someone like Young from Kentucky. That's a kid with a 7 foot wingspan. That gives you(just in ONE single hypothetical). Exum 6'6 PG Young 6-7 SG Giannis 7-0 SF(he's projected to grow another inch yet by his doctors) And then Henson, Sanders, whoever. That is SUCH a long and talented group right there, our defense would be outstanding and the first two are so quick they can get to the rim. I'm not advocating trying to do ANYTHING that in ANYWAY resembles a "quick fix." In fact, I DON'T want Parker because I believe out of the 4 he has the lowest ceiling, but will make the most immediate impact. I want these young guys to improve, probably have another season where they win maybe 25 games and add another lottery pick next year. So again, if the top 4 players are essentially equal(and many believe Exum could have been the top pick had he played college ball this year) then why NOT move back and pick up another high pick?

Seriously, who has suggested ANYWHERE trading the #2 pick straight up for the #4 pick? It's been said several times. The #4 pick PLUS the Magic pick at #12 for the #2 pick. Obviously it would come at a price and a high one at that. Obviously it would be for Orlando's other 1st round pick. Second, there are no Tim Duncan's or Lebron James in this draft? I HATE when people say that. How do you possibly know this? Wiggins has the talent to be as good as any shooting guard in the NBA. 44 inch vert, great defender. Embiid has more agility and touch than any big man I've seen in a long time. He does NOT have "major health questions." He has ONE health question that seems to have been answered, that was a very minor injury. You're logic is based on former bigs and their health issues. That's reasonable. It is NOT reasonable to say that Embiid has major health questions. The one team I can promise you is going to try and give up whatever they can to get our pick at #2 is the Jazz. They want Parker and I can't remember when a team and a player were better fits for each other. Yes, in large part because of the Mormon thing. That's big in Utah, not just a stereotype. The owner of the Jazz(on undercover boss) said when people think of Utah, they think of two things, Mormons and the Utah Jazz...and he's right(kinda).

Yeah, he might be. But he's also a guy who's had some success and he has a great arm, and the talent to be a closer. 21st? That seems reasonable to me. I'm a little surprised that Magnifico wasn't a little higher rated, but he's still a pretty one trick pony type of guy.

What I said was absolutely true. He would have to be placed on irrevocable waivers before he could be traded and then offered back to the Pirates. So if it's been made clear that not only would he not clear waivers, nor would the Pirates pass up taking him back, then how could we trade for him? Maybe they do and absolutely NOBODY cares when they do? Again, the Brewers have done this exact thing already with a Rule 5 player and Major League Baseball's only reaction was likely processing the paper work or whatever the hell they do. I doubt they gave it a second thought. Are we really working this hard to prove something that everyone knows routinely happens? I have VERY little doubt that you could find something similar to this in the minor leagues where phantom injuries and DL stints occur on a daily basis. Bottom line, it happens, it doesn't happen on a daily basis because there is no need for it, but there is absolutely NO WAY to prove that Wang doesn't have a tired arm and arguing that the office of the Commissioner is going to investigate some Rule5 draft pick is absurd. What, do you think they're going to pay some guy 5 million for proof that Wang's arm really isn't TIRED? First of all, cheating? C'mon. It's basic roster management. Second, Wang absolutely has something to gain by it as opposed to being sent back to the Pirates. 1 year of service time. Oh, and in that year of service time he goes from making about 1200 bucks a month(I don't recall exactly what a player in A ball makes, but it's a paltry sum) vs making about 500 thousand dollars. That's not nothing. Third, Wang's career would be best served pitching in the minors. Sure. And after a couple weeks, he could be sent down to the minor leagues and pitch there for 6 months. I can't believe the word "conspiracy," is being used for something that is so basic and happens so routinely in baseball. Players have been sent to the DL before and have been upset about it and nothing has happened. Given how badly Wang wanted to make the team what it benefits him to stay on a big league roster(salary already mentioned, but lets not forget potential bonuses if they make/win a playoff series) I really doubt he'd make a sound about it. Bottom line, baseball has a LOT more to worry about than investigating a 22 year old kid going to the DL for a tired arm.

A lot of people are, but they're not very funny.... Oh...Scandal is funny...when they're all looking for that terrorist guy and the bad guy from B6-13 thinks he can find him better than Huck and they're all sitting around in the conference room trying to figure out how to find him and Huck just drops him on the ground and without changing expressions says, "he was heavy," I laughed. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be funny, but I sure thought it was. Point taken though....not really meant as a sitcom. It's certainly growing on me as well.

Bourne. Bond would try to release some gas from his watch or whatever and Bourne would commence with the beating. No tricks, no gadgets, no chance for Bond.

I agree, and I wouldn't be in favor of trading down if I didn't believe the scouting reports on Exum at #4. It sounds like he'd be the pick there. The difference in value from 1-4 is rather insignificant to me. All 4 could be superstars and there are reasons to love each of them. At #5, Randle, Gordon, Smart...they all seem like very nice players, and good top 2-5 picks in a normal draft. So I see what you're saying. But would you pass up a trade with Orlando for the 4th pick and another lottery pick? Embiid is a insane talent, a Hakeem like talent, but Exum could be a Kobe like talent(as long as we're talking about upsides here) and there are instant impact players deeper in the lottery. Hell, deeper in the 1st round. We need superstars first and foremost and with Giannis and Exum/Embiid or even Wiggins, we could still find ourselves in a position to grab another top pick in next years draft as they're so raw. We literally do have a chance to build just like the Sonics/Thunder did just a few years ago. But in this draft, moving down 1-2 spots still gives you just as good of a chance at a superstar and another shot at an AS caliber player. It's a luxury this years draft offers others don't.

I believe the Bucks are going to trade out of the #2 pick. Well, Hammond has answered the question directly. I actually wanted to say to quote the article I read, but this is the one I could find quickly; His comments were a lot stronger in another article in which he stated that he feels relieved to have a new ownership group that understand that the Bucks are in multi-year rebuilding process and not looking for a quick fix. As I said earlier in this thread, how do we even know what John Hammond is really like as a GM? He'd been given a mandate to win when it was almost impossible. He's done well in the draft given the picks he's had with Giannis(who would be the #1 or #2 pick if the draft was redrafted right now), Sanders, Henson, Wolters and Brandon Jennings. He seems like he's had the right thought process the whole time, but has been hamstrung by an owner who wants to win, and who I believe wanted to win to help keep the team in Milwaukee by putting a winner out there and getting public support for a new stadium. I'm not saying he won't go with Parker. He may have a different view than me on Parker as most do....but he's made it clear he's not in a "win-now type of mode."

Why is everyone so eager to move such a talented kid with a good bat out from behind the plate? I've been saying this since last year, but Coulter has absolutely every tool you need to be a very good defensive catcher....I certainly hope they leave him there for the time being. I've personally seen this kid wrestle in HS and he was incredibly athletic and agile, and I've seen him catch. He's raw, but the areas in which he struggles are area's that simply take repetition. He has all the requisite skills. Arm, flexibility, quickness... Sorry, I would like to make it clear that i am all for Coulter sticking behind the play, hes MUCH more valuable there! So my opinion on his prospect status at first is not because I WANT him there, but simply because all of the literature I have read on him suggests that he will not make it behind the plate. Dick Groch (spelling) even seemed pessimistic about it in an interview, and if i remember correct he seemed to think the main reason was due to his size and that at his height and weight his body would not last behind the plate. I didn't see what Groch had to say about it, although I did see what Melvin said about it. He said something to the affect that they were going to keep him there until he played his way out from behind the plate. He did say he might get too big to stay there. I'm just looking at the sizes and athletic ability of the best catchers in the big leagues. Buster Posey surprised me a bit as I thought he was bigger, but he's "just," 6'1 220 Evan Gattis is 6'4 260 Joe Mauer is 6'5 235(and he's now moved to 1st base, but that was after giving the Twins a helluva run behind the plate). Matt Weiters is 6'5 240 Salvador Perez is 6'3 235 Brian McCann is 6'3 230 Yan Gomes is 6'2 215 The other top 10 catchers who aren't on this list who match up are guys like Martin, Molina, Carlos Santana who are all 5'10-5'11 215-220 and then Luc who's 6' 195. I could keep going with guys like Fisk, Bench, Carter and other greats. And as someone who's seen Coulter as a kid who was about 6'2 200 pounds as a Soph in High School, as well as maybe 7 or 8 games he's caught behind the plate and is now 6'3 220, he's so agile and athletic. He looks stiff at times frankly because I think he's too mechanical, but he's 20 years old. Anyway, chances are I'll be proven wrong, especially if he continues to hit as big catchers who can hit, especially in systems barren at the corner IF spots tend to end up elsewhere, but I see everything he needs to be a very good catcher, except the fluidity that comes with just time. He's only 20 years old. In any event, if he's going to be counted among 1st basemen, I'd put him at #1 as well. He'd likely be a fantastic defender over there(though once again, if you are going to move him, at least try that howitzer he's got at 3rd or RF first).

Yeah, and Revere was better in almost ever aspect of his minor league career putting up a .326/.383 BA/OBP line in the minors. He also stole 160 bags in ~400 games. His big leaguer career also started at age 22, while Schafer had almost an identical OPS in the minors(while being much older) and a much lower BA/OBP. If it's honestly Revere for Schafer, the only argument in Schafer's favor is he hit more HR's in the minor leagues. Not exactly a super strong argument to keep him. I like/liked Schafer, but he's going to be 28. So I'd sacrifice a little pop for someone who can hit for a decent average given this particular teams makeup.

I wasn't aware of all the rules regarding how they could go about trading Wang or what they could do, but they cannot do any of these things. They would have to waive him, every other team would get a chance to pick him up free and clear(aside from the 25K fee). So they couldn't work out a trade with any of those teams. If nobody claimed him on waivers, they would not be getting something BACK from the Pirates, they'd have to hope the Pirates would be willing to take something back for him. And if everyone wants him gone, just what type of LH'ing 1B/3B(especially if you're assuming you're going to get an MLB ready player in return) are you going to get? So they can either let him go to another team, or they can keep him. MAYBE if everything Melvin and what has been reported is wrong and no team claims him, then perhaps we could trade a prospect for him for the right to pitch him in the minors. That's about it...as far as I understand it from the several posts in this thread outlining the procedural rules.

Can you recall one time a training staff has been fined or suspended? No because teams don't put healthy players on the DL so they can circumvent the Rule 5 provisions. Right...except when they do. And that is the ONLY scenario in which you would say a guy had a dead arm or put a guy on the DL when it might not be 100 pct above board? What was the penalty for putting Ford on the DL again when he appeared to be healthy? They put Ford on the DL after a rough outing and when Yost was asked about the "quite convenient," timing of the DL stint, Yost just said, "he's been dealing with elbow soreness for a while." So...what, Major League Baseball is going to come in and say, "no, we don't believe you," and then not only fine, but suspend the training staff? This seems incredibly unrealistic given that as far as I know it's never happened. There are also times when a player is sent back down, but need again within the next 10 days and someone else who is healthy is put on the DL. I think MLB trying to figure out who really has a dead, sore, tired arm and then punishing those who they don't believe truly do is one of the dumbest things they can do. One player ends up injuring his arm worse and how does MLB answer that?

I'm guessing it'll be a position player if it's just for a start. Herrera and they can bring up..well anyone really, Heredia, Gindl, though hopefully Morris. But putting Yo on the DL would be my move. Why not just push him back a little bit further, give Nelson two starts and let Yo's arm get a little extra rest. I have a good feeling about Nelson's start by the way. 7 IP 2-3 ER's vs a very good offensive team.

Yeah, and there are 4 players who are supposed to be "elite," in this draft. A trade with Orlando would still put us in position to draft one of those 4, plus another lottery pick. As I said, that's the only way I'd trade down(or with Philly obviously).

Can you recall one time a training staff has been fined or suspended?