No manager is capable of getting this lineup to be 2nd in OPS (although the pitching should be better), but the point is that Roenicke will lose you those 3-4 games that a manager can actually swing over the course of a season vs. the average manager. Something that you cannot prove. He may win you games other managers don't either. Not saying he's been perfect but he had a pretty great first season managing. You can give me the line LaRussa outmanaged him, well LaRussa out managed everyone everyone. RR has his faults, they all do, but hes got very little talent since the injuries depleted the team and he has vets underperforming so badly it hurts my eyes to watch. You can't lay that on him.