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Interesting thought. Packers could be waiting on the 1st this season for its value or holding out til past the 2023 draft with a 1st rd ask for 2024 which odds are higher that it would be later in 1st but still a 1st rd pick vs a 2nd and conditional. Now is the 2024 draft stronger in terms of top talent? Or stronger in depth than the 2023 draft talent. I'd assume this must be the last season where 2020 affects the depth that the draft may hold because players being awarded an extra year of eligibility. Or would that be 2024 where it ends?

I'm a bit surprised you would throw out the if he starts stinking like Russell Wilson part. Jackson is 26. If he's looking for guaranteed contract, it is going to cost him in years total a contract is given. 6years? 5? I'd have a hard time seeing a team wanting to guarantee beyond 4-5 years to anybody but at 26 Jackson for a productive to MVP QB, seems like one who could get 6years. At 26, 6 years takes him to age 32. Wilson's poor season just came at age 34. Are the Jets the team to do this? They probably should as a Franchise. I'm thinking they want Rodgers to come in be good for a year. Pass on something towards Zach Wilson, like he must have to Love. After all, GB is pushing away Rodgers ready to start Love at QB. Then see where they are at a year later with Rodgers and Wilson. Jets would be forced to consider entering his 4th season then to pick up the 5th year option. It's a tough pill to swallow on your #2 QB selection to commit full moving on option Jackson would be.

By enough picks you mean future picks? They only have 1 pick each round 1 through 6 and no 7th. The total value doesn't even exceed just the #3 pick in the draft. Nice to hear we signed a FA Safety. Amos turned out as a good FA sign. New blood there is needed.

They have a cap before luxury tax. Yankees make so much money, you can't cap and penalize them hurting players potential salaries. I like how Brock made the Television revenue shared point vs the tickets revenue sharing. One would be fixed and more predictable. And I think something more predictable would go a long way towards a salary floor proposal. That's my feeling since retraction isn't an option. I'd personally like to see 2 teams removed from bottom 1/3rd markets and their portions of revenue sharings is spread more to the already receiving teams.

1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13 seeds first rd.

1-2-3-4-7-9-11-12 seeds 1st rd I'll take.

In terms of draft trade value a pick swap is like getting the 100th selection end of 3rd rd. 1st #13 1150 value. All of Jets remaining picks in 2023 843.5 Value. 20th pick value. Swapping our 2nd for their 1st in the trade is net 700 value. 26th pick value. Jets 2nd and 3rd is 690value. 27th pick value. Swap first and get 2nd is 570 value. About 34th pick value. Gambling with 2024 picks when Rodgers addition could be the best QB Jets have every had in their history by end of 2023? God it's such loss because you see at best an 18th pick value of 900.(condition of making the playoffs worst record with playoff loss) Win SB pick 32 is 590 value. Swap our 2 with their 1 has to be the minimum return value if Rodgers is traded before the draft 700 value. I guess I could say 2&3. For 690value. If you take a 2024 1st it's unconditional if you're not getting the minimum value before it,for 2023. It's nuts to me people would trade Roders away for a 3rd rd pick to be over this.

ADamBR2. This is sorta why I came up with my idea. The draft trade value nets GB about the 26th pick value in the 1st rd by swapping. Jets keep enough value the 2 seconds is enough value to be the 18th pick in a trade. Move up to about 23-25 and they could then take that teams 3rd rd. pick for equal value. Or they just keep 2 top half 2nd rd picks. The trade value between 13 and settling for 43 is a 1st rd value of 780 or #22. That's a big gap when settling for the 2nd vs getting their 1st. You take a 1st next season it stands within reason Rodgers carries them to a 26+ selection. At 26 combined with you have to assume this year's 2nd rd the value stands between #14 and #15 combined. GBs top 2 pick compensation then is below the value of getting this year's 13. It's important to get more than 2nd rd value for Rodgers when your taking on the large hit moneywise.

GB should not give in til they get the Jets 13th pick. The swap idea 15-13 isn't working. Jets don't want to not not have a 1st rd pick this season. Simply tell them swapping your 13+ 3rd with 2024 conditional 3rd, for our 45th in 2023. They'll have 43&45 more than enough to trade back in to 1st round. I'd make the conditional as 3rd with 2nd if win division. 1st if played in AFC Championship game. Send them some money I guess if that's a thing. I've heard mentions during ESPN Milw radio of that, but I didn't think that was a thing could do.

Probably based on the fact there's 0 SB victory chances keeping him here in GB. 13-3, 13-4, B2B MVPs and he didn't get us there. Now? GB defense blew their talent, the DC is back because Rodgers won 4 in row, keeping Barry to ruin them again. Fans dealt with Favre, who's only ruined his image further past his Packers career. Been there done that. Just rip the bandaid off on vs the years of getting our hopes up and then extremely letting fans down in brutal ways. Bucks are excelling, easy timing to take a break on Packers heartbreaks. That Lions game was the nail in the coffin. I can't care less what happens with Rodgers in GB or gone. The FO has shown it wasn't helping Rodgers down the stretch, season after season. They wasted a 1st rd&4th rd pick on Love in 2020 lets go ahead and see how terrible a move they made. I don't want to be robbed of him not starting for a season as a GB QB anymore. Prove to me you were the smartest guy in the room getting Love, vs the dumbest.

defensively I think in the timeframe of the incident, batter shows disgust, returns to plate quickly(pitch clock?) Then crosses his bat showing ump up. But it's what 3secs? til pitch? He threw the batter out of the game by basically calling strike 3. Down 3 or 4 2 outs 2 strikes in 9th. My only defense to the batter would be if he waved bat over the plate like he did most of his plate appearances. Then it's just routine vs showing up the ump on what was a clear strike 1 out from end of game. If it's just the batter showing up the ump, I hope the ump makes a statement he wished he ejected the batter vs an unfair strike 3 call after the batter made his gesture after his visual actions being displeased. Kinda feel like a dad moment, like son don't show up an ump on a close pitch over the plate. Disrespecting the ump, as well as the pitcher who made a great pitch. That's why I called strike 3 to you, respect others it's a game that on that pitch was 99.9pct over.

The rumor on the Jets WR owed 10.5M mentioned another team. I'm guessing they are including the WR in a 3 team deal to make cap room to sign Lazard? Draft picks involved? From GB or Jets maybe both? Rather than just release the WR and the contract trying to get something out of it? Rodgers it sounds looks not only to add Lazard, but Lewis, with Cobb and OBJ. You add that both GB&NYJ need to have the payroll side worked out for the impending draft+FA $$. Just a complicated mess to pull off.

There's Kentucky. 6seed. Kansas St instead of Baylor. I think Marq may have gotten a good draw. Obviously certain players that are stars at a position Marq doesn't matchup well against can occur. Not sure what that is.

All 3 hits are on a shortened swing full contact. Something that the lineup needs. A contact BA/OB hitter who won't strikeout 25pct or more of the time. His ceiling is limited based on slugging but the floor is supremely higher. Think Ichiro in that he could swing for HRs and hit them, but knowing that fly balls that don't clear the fence are often caught. He has a 5'10" build that isn't on the hit for power side. He should stay productive where he's at. The key on this type of batter is the ability on taking walks 8pct+ and keeping his K rate below 17pct. Can probably say 900OPS seasons won't exist for him. But below 750 OPS seasons may not exist for him either once he's gained enough experience.

Seeing Marq at 2 in the East. Finally a Lunardi 2 line. Baylor 3 in that bracket. That feels about right. Purdue 1. No Kentucky though but he does have them as a 7seed so the committee will fix that.

Marq has won 19 of its last 21. And the 2 losses were the 2 teams they just beat in b2b days to win the conference tourney. If that's not hot going in to the tourney deserving a 2seed, nothing is. Uconn at worst is a 4seed. Xavier at worst is a 6seed. Guess what I'm really getting at is Marq needs to be 2 lines above Uconn after beating 2 times after 1 of only 2 losses in past 21 games.

Yeah this is kinda what I meant when talking about finding a way to .500 or a game or 2 above. The division being really bad. Nate as to your QB quality in this draft, I've heard I believe 4 QBs picked in first 9 selections? That seems like a lot when also suggesting a strong defense group for the draft. I know 1st yr QBs don't generally make immediate impacts. This is 1.1 so Carolina has the best shot drafting the QB who does.

Is this a haul? It's a solid trade no doubt, but Carolina didn't make a move like the Bears trading all those 1st rd picks to move up 1 spot. 1-9 and 61 this year. A future 1st that if Carolina lands the correct QB immediately jumps to a .500 team. So 15th-ish?. Then a year later a 2nd rd where now may be in 60s again. DJ Moore is a good get but at 17.5M a year. Rather than picking up a rookie 1st rd WR under a rookie contract by finding a team who had 2 1sts to trade you this year. That they only gain 1 draft pick this season. Again I think it's a solid trade, but that 2nd rd pick in 2025 makes this feel quite light. I think a 4th rd this season is better than waiting for a 2nd rd 2 years later.

Lunardi latest 9am yesterday literally put Marq as a 3seed in South. Purdue who beat them the 2 seed. Mississippi St a 11 seed who beat them. Vs a 6seed without a quality win Conference winner. Nuts. I think winning today with the last 10/20 game record gets them a 2seed. I've always thought seedings in regions always looked ahead to future marquee matchups. Marq vs Kentucky as one. Purdue vs Marq and Baylor vs Marq. Put Marq as a 2 seed. Baylor as the 3. Purdue would be a 2 seed in another region(where Uconn is a 3seed) that potential sweet sixteen. And final 4 matchup. Let's go ahead and put Kentucky in their down year as the 6 seed for that matchup in sweet 16 if Baylor doesn't beat them. 7? Seed for 2nd rd matchup? Whatever region Marq gets put in you can predict it will be loaded so 2 other regions can have the committee's top 3 teams they want in final 4 and 1 in Championship game.

Favre to Rodgers, some Fandom take on the two. Favre can be comparable with recovering from pain addiction(wrote a book about it), losing his father, being married and his wife going through cancer. This aside from his Mississippi roots and farm tractors. Rodgers never married, not close to his family, Dates Olivia Munn, Danica Patrick, Shailene Woodley who was engaged to. Never followed through. What really is there in his outside NFL life that fans could compare with? While I'd like to say fans will remain strong on Favre's end over Rodgers 5-10years from now, probably won't be true since older generations pass on and the Rodgers generation will still be here. To the trade idea with Jets. If the cap space will be troubled by adding a 1st rd pick, then I'd assume a 2nd rd pick with conditional 2nd or 1st rd depending say if that Jets pick would be top 10 next year. That Sauce comment is interesting. Do 3 team trades happen in the NFL? Could we see a team trade for Wilson send us their backup QB as we'll need 1 with a Rodgers departure. And the idea of doom days ahead. And to Packers SB expectations/projections last season. Gary was lost and our Def Cord. ran a poor scheme for 5? 6games? In to the season. Wasted use of what should have been a better defensive team. Majority of that defense still here. There are 2 legit RBs still here. High potential WRs to grow a QB with. Not annointing them SB expectations in 2023, just that being .500 team or a game or 2 better isnt out of reality. Love comes in to a good situation with regard to having players around him to shoulder a load vs relying all on him. Lafluer and company drafted him with MLF's scheme in mind you would think. Rodgers may have gotten away with overriding MLF's playcalling. Maybe his scheme would produce better with a QB who stuck more with it. Through these last 30years the Central/North has mostly been lacking quality beyond the Packers. And I wouldn't expect much of a change with the QBs now leading the other 3 teams. Teams have succeeded in years without an elite QB, its tougher certainly but great defensive teams have won SBs. We could be that team with a few adds to defense in this draft and growth from the young players returning.

The 10 part that what you mean? That's the high end vs the low end. 10 would be a result of high genetics that adds muscle mass at a quicker rate. Seems a little bit odd for a CF and possessing speed to bulk up that quickly. Depends where he was within his body's frame.

The last part always gets me. 10-15lbs of muscle. Not without illegal substance did he do that. Now adding 15lbs to his bodyweight with say 7-10lbs being muscle is realistic. What are we 17weeks since season ended? He's not adding a full LB of muscle weekly.

There os the issue comparing Hiura extension to extending Mitchell, Wiemer, Chourio, and Frelick Turang too. They are all expected to be plus defenders or in Frelick's case he's hovering at 15% k Pct. That protects the investment if the offense doesn't hold up to the defenders and Frelick the defense side. Hiura has always been questioned if he could hold on to 2b defensively. He's short not ideal for 1b. And the DH wasn't an option yet in 2019. You gotta figure these guys will provide 2WAR on defense and baserunning alone and the hitting when it's right better than 4WAR.

Well pitching future as to depth this year and 2024. Espino " over four Double-A starts before getting sidelined by knee tendinitis, then got shut down with shoulder soreness. After his shoulder continued to bother him this winter, he was diagnosed with a muscle strain and a capsule tear, so the Guardians sidelined him again and it's unclear when his 2023 season will begin" The #1 pitching prospect. Gavin Williams #2 team prospect. has 3 starts at AA. That's a 2024 at best mid season addition. #5 Bibee looks legit why I look for them back in a trade. Another AA 2024 addition. #8 Logan Allen. Stats to project as 3-4SP not top of the rotation(similar to Lauer who's a 3-4) #13 Justin Campbell. Picked in 2022 hasn't pitched yet 3+years away. So the future has just that future away. There's no addition in 2023 they would have adding to playoff roster. Very unlikely a SP from this list beginning the 2024 season and as a Rookie in 2024 mid season do you have faith to pitch them in playoffs in 2024? So reliable future begins on a 2025 season in my opinion. The premise here is does Cleveland see the AL as weakened to make a push for a WS with the defending division winners addressing the matchups at the top of their rotations? My take on what a Burnes trade could look like is a scenario Cleveland wants to pursue a run at WS this season/next improving the team as soon as Burnes has become available to trade for. Espino could be a headache with injuries just delaying his future multiple years. Allen the closest to Majors has the 3/4 stat profile. In between you're looking at a 2024 addition. The depth is very thin so to me its realistic they trade for an immediate upgrade. Edit add seeing this comment. Heck, Espino & Valera are hurt right now... If those 2 are healthy & performing, they might be filling roles in CLE by the trade deadline. Valera is already on the 40 man roster & Espino is Rule 5 eligible after this season. With his injury the idea he'd get a role helping the team this season and staying protected on rule 5 is ending his SP future and he becomes a late inning RP for a long time to come. It takes a multitude of seasons building up from a max of 91 IP in a professional season. Which looks unlikely he'll exceed with that injury news above. His future as a SP is 3+ years away to build up over 20Games started at 6IP.

And that's all good. More of just an example of what a trade can look like when you don't have a SS locked in for 6/7years at 17+Mil a season. With the OF&C looking set for next 7seasons you squeeze even more at SS with Adames extension the trade options and quality of a return potentially. If you take away the SS options what can Minnesota even offer logically to acquire Woody? You're removing an entire trade team option and there is a lot of 2024 players turning FA. I guess there's always the 3rd team route.