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#1 We get excited when the Cubs overpay for FA players, why not celebrate when they overpay for a manager? #2 I don’t mind Attanasio’s comment. In the end Counsell strung along the Brewers and put them in a crap situation. It seems Counsell was arguably a bit of a diva for this entire thing.
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That’s just not a great comp. The CC offer was like oh well we offered to offer knowing there was zero chance. The Brewers put in a legitimate and realistic offer for Counsell. To be quite frank, anything above what they offered was just dumb money being thrown around.
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One of the main reasons this has little chance to have any effects on manager salaries is the fact managers never get to FA…at least on a high note. Guys take an extension as fast as possible. Why? Because their job security is terrible. They are always the guy blame falls on and not only do they depend on themselves…but if the GM goes they are almost surely going to. Counsell basically used the Brewers and the job security they gave him to have the opportunity to test FA knowing no matter what they would take him back. Even if they imploded last year. Normal managers don’t have that kind of hometown security. It’s like a RB in the NFL. You better take the chance to lock in some money any chance you got. Because your shelf life is short and unforgiving.
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I pondered this wondering when he went from nice manager to have to all of a sudden best manager in history our lives depend on him. Can anyone with a straight face honestly say this guy is an elite in-game manager? I mean…honestly? Most of his tenure has been a running joke of giving a guy like him as a player 500 ABs…or clinging to veterans no matter how trash they are. Don’t get me started about him being able to ride elite starters and elite late inning arms to near cruise control victories. There have been countless moments in the postseason in recent years where the other manager was going crazy trying to win a game as Counsell tried to be as mid season form as possible. This year the other manager went all in on Game 1 unloading his entire bullpen not worrying about the next game…dude then ends up winning Game 1, the next day, and then getting a trip to the World Series. I recall Game 2 having bold PHs for the D Backs as Counsell either refused or had the dumbest guy PH. No doubt the guy has a way to make a good clubhouse and have guys like him…but is he actually that good when it comes game time? If he isn’t that good in a game, is it that hard to replace a nice guy all the players like? I guess we will find out, maybe it is. Probably going to be hard to know what we end up with as this team is kinda prepped for a bit of a nosedive without Woodruff and maybe Burnes.
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To be honest we feel headed for a transition of some sort, not contending. I’d try to use someone as an interim guy that won’t need a big contract. We already watched the entire market sign before Counsell ditched…so I would like to avoid the scraps. See what is out there next year. Erickson is a feel good story I suppose. I recall players really liked and respected him.
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Some act like we are going to be humbled with Counsell's replacement. On a different note, those same people, would be REALLY humbled if Attanasio sold the team like they want him to. Any other owner in Milwaukee probably doesn't even offer him $5mil.
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And had they given Counsell a record contract you and all the other payroll complainers probably wouldn't have even logged in to comment. Pretty much only coming out when the news fits your agenda.
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I would wear Cubs attire every day and wrap my car with their logo if they paid me that much more. Is what it is at some point. Someday Counsell may regret ruining his legacy all for money (unless he wins a World Series somewhere). Probably not, but maybe.
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We will see if this resets the market like Counsell wants. Something tells me this is an outlier and quickly will fade into the sunset as salaries continue to be low. If they want to reset the market Bochy needs to immediately pack his stuff and refuse to come back to the ballpark until he gets a massive contract himself. If Counsell flops or turns out to not look very special, he is just going to confirm managers aren't worth much money.
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End of the day we decided to not pay a guy a record salary in times managers are worth less and less due to how the game is played statistically. We also opted to not give him a salary nearly double that of a guy who just won like his 4th World Series. Saying Attanasio is cheap for not giving out the biggest managerial salary in history to someone as managerial salaries crater to all-time lows makes absolutely zero logical sense. Offering him the top salary in baseball was shocking as-is.
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I am more upset we twiddled our thumbs watching all the other top candidates sign and now have to find the scraps. Wonder if Pat Murphy gets promoted. Good luck to him....should be interesting watching him manage without elite bullpen arms covering a 1/3 of the game for him. He is going to have to manage a lot more than he has before. Not saying he will or won't succeed...but I think he has had it a little easy in a lot of ways over the years.
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Not only is he going to get paid, he is showing managers are valuable enough to dump the current guy to upgrade...just like you would a player. It is the ultimate power move.
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Why not the other NYC team? (private flight going there)
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The guy is literally just money hungry and wanting to make mangers paid great again. That is the start and end of the story.
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Vogt signing and the Brewers job about to be opening up would be a little surprising. I have to imagine he would have been a top candidate and even if Vogt preferred the Guardians the Brewers could have helped push his price up. I just find that a little hard to believe. He seemed primed to land a managerial role no matter what, so not like he had to sprint out and sign a deal. Because haven't we just been twiddling our thumbs waiting for golden boy to decide?
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Game 8: Rams @ Packers - Sunday, Nov. 5th 12:00 PM
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Using Love like he is Jimmy G is the best way to win games. I don’t know if that should be our goal though… -
Game 8: Rams @ Packers - Sunday, Nov. 5th 12:00 PM
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Game 8: Rams @ Packers - Sunday, Nov. 5th 12:00 PM
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Right, but spring training is here then. The point is to do it in the dead of winter to keep interest going.
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No…and it isn’t heated. So it doesn’t work anyway.
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Yah, guys like Dillon need a decent OL so they can get some momentum going. I don’t think he is as good as he was when we drafted him, but if you give that guy a hole, he will hit the first defender and go through him. Of course, not sure we need to keep him when we seem quite likely to draft a RB fairly high and clearly we aren’t in much position to compete.
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I am not a huge "teams never trade within the division guy', but there has got to be a negative one bazzilion percent chance the Bears trade with us so we can grab a Top 3 pick QB in the draft. Like, there ain't no way that is happening. Not a chance in the world.
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Meh. The hitting coach is working with a pile of shart and the pitching coach gets to sit back and watch ace after ace rotation or bullpen take the mound. Like the last time our pitching coach ditched, I doubt the world ends as we know it if the current one left. The pitching success if probably a bigger reflection of the guys in the minors, not the MLB guy.
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Maybe Counsell is just using them to drive up the price for the Brewers and afterwards a bunch of Brewers players are going to go on Twitter and be like, "LOL that those Met's fans thought Counsell would ever go to the dumpster fire Mets." And finally, just finally, we have beat the large market at their own game and get to throw up the middle finger for once....Counsell truly doing the thing more impossible than winning a World Series. Bronze statue by opening day.
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Maybe he takes Pat Murphy if he doesn't replace Counsell? That is really the only guy Counsell probably has much control over. The hitting coach and pitching coach aren't necessarily manager picks....and very well may have contracts that don't follow his. I don't think those coaches decide where to go based on who the manager is.
