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Someone said it earlier and I’ll repeat. The roster doesn’t make a lot of sense right now. They have four starting outfielders. Fair enough. You can maybe move one to first part time. But they also already have a pretty good platoon at first and now half of that platoon has nowhere to go. Meanwhile they appear to be going quantity over quality in the rotation even though there some decent quality still available. I have to believe when Stearns signed Cain he thought he could move Santana for a starter. Perhaps this is a lesson learned. Don’t make move 2 before you make move 1??? I just hope the plan isn’t to just outhit everyone and win with offense because that generally doesn’t work. I’m very worried about the rotation.
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That’s not what I’m meaning to imply. I’m just saying the offense is built to win but I don’t believe the rotation can say the same. Come on. Just because you can name a bunch of guys who are capable of starting games and have reached AA doesn’t make them viable options. You’d really be ok with Jorge Lopez starting games right now? And you’re counting on Ortiz, Burnes and Peralta, none of whom have pitched above AA? Or Perrin, whose never pitched above A ball? That’s “depth” to you? Realistically our depth is, depending on who doesn’t crack the rotation, some combination of Gallardo, Miley, Suter, Wilkerson, Guerra and maybe Derby. At this point I wouldn’t feel comfortable with any one of those guys making more than 3-4 spot starts.
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That’s all good and well but let’s once again look at our current alternatives. Wade Miley. Yovani Gallardo. Junior Guerra. All of them were awful last year. Two of them were awful the year before that as well. Our starting pitching depth is, quite honestly, a joke. And it’s quite possible that refusing to give Cobb an extra year may cost us playoff berth, not necessarily because he’s that good, but because the alternatives are that bad. I’m all for picking up guys on the cheap and hoping they turn it around. But when you have a legitimate chance at the playoffs, which we do because of our offense, I hate to rely so heavily on that type of player. If Miley and Gallardo get a significant number of starts between the two of them this year I think it’s going to be a long year. I certainly could be wrong and hope I am. But I hate to see a season wasted because we refuse to give better pitchers an extra year or a few more million dollars. I think this offseason is more an exception than the new rule. Next offseason is going to see a ridiculous amount of spending.
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So past results shouldn’t be considered when trying to determine how good a pitcher will be? I kind of understand your point but it’s foolish not to look at how good a player has been in the past. Obviously someone can make adjustments but if he’s been flat out bad for three or four years it’s likely that he’s just not that good.
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These guys are professionals. They aren’t going to risk their season to pitch an extra inning in their first start of the season. Plus, if they aren’t ready they might just skip their first start and stay in extended spring training to build arm strength. Plus, just because they say the can go another inning doesn’t mean the Brewers have to let them. I’m sure they’ll be more careful with their FA acquisition.
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Unless Woodruff is awful this spring I don’t see that happening. Miley has been terrible the last two years. And he wasn’t very good before that. If Miley pushes Woodruff out of the rotation then Woodruff has had a bad bad spring. But even so, once we have the inevitable pitcher injury your first option would then be Woodruff as opposed to, say, Gallardo or Guerra.
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Anderson, Davies, Cobb, Chacin, Woodruff. Who am I missing?
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If it pushes Miley out of the rotation then absolutely it’s a rotation changer.
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I guess it depends what he wants. He came to us and said he’d sign for 4/$60 million id do that no problem. It doesn’t break the bank and it solidifies the rotation. No he’s not at ace but it should be clear now the only way the Brewers are getting an ace is if they trade the farm for a year or twos worth of ace. We aren’t signing one and getting a TOR prospect will cost a fortune too, if you can even find one that’s available.
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Nobody is suggesting you go off the deep end for anyone. And quite honestly given what decent starting pitching tends to cost it’s more lielely we’d be getting a bargain than anything. I get that here are other opportunities past 2018. But what makes you think we’ll get any better of a deal next offseason? This offseason is like none we’ve seen in a long time. And given the quality of FA next year it’s not likely to repeat itself. Huh?
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Anderson and Nelson both had career years last season. While I certainly hope Anderson can repeat it’s a big if. And who knows what Nelson will be when he gets back from a pretty substantial should injury. Last year the Brewers starters had a top 5 ERA in the NL. I just can’t see anything close to that with a rotation consisting of Miley, Guerra, and/or Gallardo. All three of them were just awful last year. Additionally, of someone told you three months ago we could have gotten Cobb for 4/$60 I think any one of us would have taken that. Even though he’s probably not a TOR guy, he’s a significant upgrade over the other three. Anderson, Davies, Cobb, Chacin, Woodruff looks much better to me than Anderson, Davies, Chacin, Woodruff and Miley/Guerra.
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In the scheme of things $50 million really isn’t that much. If all it took to get Cobb was $50-$60 over four years I’d do that. I’m sorry but Gallardo and Miley shouldn’t even be in the conversation for rotation spots. And Guerra is looking like a one year wonder. How do you trade for Yelich, sign Cain, and then include some combination of Miley/Gallardo/Guerra in your rotation? Is this really the year you want to fill your rotation and rotation depth with a bunch of bounce back hopefuls?
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Not to mention these kids have access to the best facilities on campus. They have their own tutors. They have their own physical therapists. Their own strength and conditioning guys. Their own nutritionists. Etc. And I’m sorry, but free tuition and room and board is getting paid. Just because they don’t all take advantage of the opportunity doesn’t mean it doesn’t count as an opportunity.
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It all ties together. The kids are acting as though they HAVE to do this because how else are they supposed to survive? Then when they DO do it the NCAA doesn’t do squat about it.
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And who pays for these contracts? Taxpayers who fund the universities? Boosters where the best players will go to whoever has the most money? Students through student fees? This is ridiculous. This all started because the kids want it both ways. They want free school, free food, free healthcare, free housing, etc (which comes to tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of their time there), all while being treated as celebrities at schools that, lets be honest, the vast majority of them would never in a million years be able to get into if they weren’t good at sports. And even if they could get in they’d never be able to afford it. Then on top of all that they want to be paid too. Yes the NCAA makes money. So what. That’s how life works. Companies make money off the backs of their employees. These kids are NOT victims so can we please stop treating them as such. Anyone caught accepting money should immediately lose all eligibility AND be forced to reimburse the schools for their scholarships. . Any coach caught paying players should be banned from coaching at the college level. The reason this is so prevalent is because the rewards far, far outweigh the risks. If the kids don’t like the rules then don’t play in the NCAA.
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Yeah I agree. There’s just no good way of doing this. That’s why I think the best answer is to let kids go to the NBA out of high school. If they complain about not being able to get money for their “likeness” then you can always say “well then turn pro and see how much you really are worth”.
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How about college kids can play for college teams for up to four years and get a standard payment (say $75000 a year) but they don’t have to go to school, nor do they get to live in student housing or enjoy anything student related (access to university buildings, food plans etc). They don’t receive scholarships either. Anything that they need they have to pay for on their own. If they want to attend classes and get meal plans they can pay for them out of their annual payment.
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What if we don't add a starter?
paul253 replied to jonescm128's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
There’s a difference though between trusting your farm and being overconfident in it. The vast majority of prospects fail to do anything at the major league level. Trading them before the flame out is just as sound a strategy as trading major leaguers before they regress. I love prospects as much as the next guy but the heck if I’m trading an all star caliber closer when we have every intention of trying to win the division, and I’m one who thinks closer are the most overvalued position in baseball. But that being said, Jeffress Williams and Houser are not Knenel. At least not yet. If we had a quality, reliable bullpen at the beginning of last season we have been able to hold onto the division. I don’t want to make the same mistake this year just so we can add more prospects. -
It’s interesting that some of the schools are taking this seriously and suspending their players while others are not. And why not? The NCAA has shown themselves to be utterly incompetent in investigation these things and punishing the violators. What’s going to happen? Ten years from now they tell Arizona and Michigan St. that some of their wins this year don’t count? Big deal.
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Agreed. The NCAA is the most corrupt money driven organization out there. The schools don’t play on an even playing field. The athletes are used by the NCAA while simultaneously using the school. The idea of “student athletes” is a farce, as North Carolina so generally proved for us. I realize that most athletes don’t go on to play pro and actually need a degree. So get all the ones who are only playing for the pros out of there. Let HS athletes turn pro if they want. Make anyone who does do to school but leaves to go pro before three years repay the entirety of their scholarship. Penalize schools if they too many players who leave earl to Also make the NCAA in charge of the refs and the rules, not the conferences. Have them assign their own officials to each school to monitor possible violations as opposed to essentially counting on the school to do it. Also try to find some way, any way, to compel athletes and school officials to cooperate in investigations. I think this would START to make things better though none of it will ever happen.
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Yeah I think at the very least they need to change rule back to allowing these kids to go pro after HS. I hated them doing that before because most of the ones that did it had no business in the NBA but honestly they have no business in college either. Most of his kids who turn pro after a year are a disgrace to the term “student” anyway. Now that then NBA has this Gleague jist let them go pro and they can play in Oshkosh and these other minor league cities.
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Because the only other way to get him is to give him, at absolute minimum, four years. Id rather take the chance that he’ll pitch well enough this year and next for us, at which point we’ll know what we have in Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta and Ortiz, then to give him less per year but hope he doesn’t take an absolute dump towards the end of his contract. If the major concern is that his best days are last him why would we want to give him 4-6 years? Pay him more for two years and if he sucks, yeah you’re out a little more money per year but much less overall.
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What about a high ball offer for a short number of years for Arrietta? Say two years and $70 million. Maybe include a third year at the same average with a mutual option. $35 million if we want him $10 million if not.
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Looks like a who’s who of NCAA basketball programs has been implented by the FBI as violating rules by having recruits and players receive impermissible payments. Duke. North Carolina. Arizona. Michigan St. Alabama. USC. Etc. I always knew the NCAA is about as corrupt as they come but this just proves it. UNC has been previously accused of essentially creating fake classes for its players to “attend”. Louisville of course hired strippers, or was it prostitutes, to attend parties with recruits. Former Alabama football players have admitted to receiving benefits. And so on. I am a huge college sports fan but this is getting to be nothing but a joke. “Students athletes” who don’t go to school and receive payments and the NCAA is powerless to do much about it and gutless when they can. Something major needs to change, maybe even just ending the NCAA.
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How about “ghost runners”? You know, like when you don’t have enough guys to play? You can have a ghost runner on second then when someone gets a single the two teams can argue about whether the ghost runner would have scored or not.