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I agree. But every year there are 1 or 2 guys they cut that I think are huge mistakes. I remember when the cut Rolle a couple years ago I thought that was a mistake. Then he goes down to Houston and gets a couple picks in a game and it looks even worse. Over the long run...he's been a journeymen type DB. I wonder how quickly Gilbert will get picked up or IF he gets picked up. So many teams need OLB'ers and he played so well...I hope he makes his way back on to our practice squad. And if I had my choice among the WR'ers who got cut to make the practice squad, Clark would be the one I'd pick...and perhaps the Packers were thinking the same thing since he only played 6 snaps in the final pre-season game. It'll be almost as interesting to see what the practice squad looks like...especially given how frequently we call guys up from year to year rather than acquiring guys via free agency or trade.

Maybe he would have . I really don't know . I just don't know how people were assuming he would. I'm glad we didn't try to outbid that package from Houston either way. I was a little surprised at how hard Verlander is still throwing. I thought he'd lost a few ticks on his fastball, but his fastball velocity is as high as it's ever been, he average slider is 88.5....so maybe it was just command and normal struggles. But with a guy who's got that many miles on his arm at that age, I guess I just assumed he was losing velo like CC did and...pretty much everyone not named Nolan Ryan before him. I didn't want to see any prospects of consequence traded from this team for this year, but I do like Verlander. Houston has to feel a lot better now. Just get Keuchel going, McCullers back and they should have a solid rotation heading into the playoffs.

IDK, with Taylor's injury history may be smarter to keep him in pen. I saw someone just on here(LouiseEly maybe) quote someone from the medical staff who said that once the shoulder and elbow are fully healed, there's no more reason to expect further injury beyond what you'd expect from anyone else. Edit-This was from an old post and I am not sure who made the comment. I also wonder if the pen is more apt to keep a pitcher healthy than the rotation unless they use a guy like we used Hader. Don't get him up unless he's pitching and give him 3 days off after he pitches. Either way, it's going to be fun just to watch him pitch and it's a cool story. Guy had to be thinking his career was..at least in limbo, two years out of the game, and now he's pitching in a Sept race.

For what it's worth, Browns fans seemed surprised by Greco getting cut and looking over a couple forums thought he was at least good depth along the line. They also have Kevin Zietler and Joe Bitino at their guard spots with Tretter at C, so it's not like they don't have good players inside there. The Browns also run a zone blocking scheme... Added-The Ravens also cut Jeremy Zuattah...primarily a center during his career, but right now we're thin their as well. Couldn't find PFF's report on him, but did fine one saying that he should be a big boost in SF(where he was cut two weeks ago). It's hard to tell with some of these guys from SF or Cleveland what the reason behind the cut is. They're awful teams in total rebuild modes, so are they just not keeping any aging talent because it won't be around...or are they just done.

That was my thought....luckily for the Tigers Verlander has pitched quite a bit better after a really poor start. K/BB ratio has gone from 1.92 to 4.88 in the second half. So they pay 10 million dollars to get back 3 intriguing prospects and get out from under most of his remaining contract. Looks like a win-win for both teams.

And Ben Sheets being #1. Who never clammed to be a strike out pitcher. Sheets was always a pretty big strikeout pitcher and in that 2004 season, he took it to another level. 264 K's is an incredible season. I don't view that as a negative reflection on our franchise. That we've had so few guys get 200 K's, sure, but not that season from Sheets. When he was healthy and right, his fastball command and that 12/6 curve was just about as good as it got for 1-2 pitches in the game. He should have been in contention for the Cy Young award that year but they went with the prettier W/L record of Clemens won him the award that year.

Every year the Packers seem to have a couple of guys make a big jump, be it from year 1 to 2 or guys who were on the bubble who come on and end up playing key roles for the team, or guys who had down years the year before but bounced back(like Adam's did last year and hopefully Randall will do this year). Here's my list- 1-Dean Lowry At Northwestern he reminded me of JJ quite a bit. Obviously nobody on the Packers is gonna be anywhere near him, but before he sprained his MCL, he was throwing guys around pretty good on the DL and getting a lot of pressure. I said in another thread I think the Packers will play with 3 DL more this year(maybe a 3-3-5?) because of his improvement. 2-Kenny Clark Staying on the DL, Clark who was just 20 years old last year could finally be a 1st round defensive player who contributes and makes an impact after a long run of late first round picks on that side of the ball. He looks like he packed on a lot of muscle and he's been collapsing the pocket this year. These two guys make Mike Daniels SO much more dangerous IMO. He already plays like a guy on PCP who thinks the cops are chasing him every down as it is, if those guys are good enough that teams can't double Daniels, the front 7(or 8 with Burnett/Jones) might make a whole lot of plays on the other side of the ball. 3-Quentin Rollins Randall talks a lot more and you hear a lot more from Randall, but Rollins is playing really physical and really aggressive in the slot. I think a healthy Rollins can provide what Casey Heyward did his rookie year and create takeaway's. 4-Josh Jones The guy finally played like we'd heard he'd been practicing all off-season. He was blowing up pulling guards, he was playing deep CF. He's the epitome of what the Packers are trying to do and what the Falcons did last year in getting faster, more physical and more versatile. I know there will be more, but beyond those 4, I would just be guessing at RB...and that GUESS would be the kid from UTEP Jones as he has looked the best to me, but I'm not sure if he'll get his chance or what the pecking order is at RB. At WR'er, I like everyone we've got who has a shot to make the roster, but with Nelson, Adams, presumably Cobb, Bennett, Kendricks and then I would assume Allison as our #4 WR'er, it'd likely cause an injury for any receiver to jump into this group. Joe Thomas would be the 5th guy on my list because he looks like he's taken another step to becoming an all around LB'er, but I would say his "breakout" year came last year. I think were definitely moving in the right direction on defense with more physical guys with speed who can play the run and the pass. Thoughts?

This looks almost exactly like I would do it with only a couple of differences. I think on the OL Pankey has at outside shot to make the roster and if not is a lock for the PS if he's not claimed. Just too big, physical and versatile. I hope you're right about Gilbert. And I'm also pretty sure the more we agree on what the final roster will look like, the more you can count on a couple big shakeup's and TT doing a couple things we never saw coming! QB-(2) Rodgers, Hundley PS-Hill-That throw he made when he scrambled was big time because he shows he's developing from a guy who just takes off when his first read isn't there to a guy who can use his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. If another team claims him, it only hurts him and his future development. Let him learn from McCarthy and Van Pelt and company for a couple years. He should be the backup next year assuming Hundley is traded after this year and not before. RB-(5) Montgomery, Mays, Williams, Jones, Rip PS-I think Phillips..I wonder if the Packers think they can find other RB's though. With 3 rookies already, not sure they keep him, though I would like it if they did. TE-(3)Bennett, Kendricks, Rodgers PS-I think Peck has a shot to make the PS here. He looked decent, including a couple of nice blocks both inline and downfield. OL-(8)David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Lane Taylor, Kyle Murphy, Jason Spriggs, Don Barclay I don't think they add anyone here. I think maybe they SHOULD, but I don't think they do. If they went with 9 I think Pankey, not Patrick would be the next guy, but I appear to be in the minority there as I keep hearing about how much they like Patrick. PS-Pankey/Gray- I would love it if they could spend a full year developing these two. Both are ideal guards, they're both really physical, great size, length...everything you need. I think they have really high upside. But I don't think Gray could even compete against a guy like Sheldon Richardson in week 1. And I've been with you on Amichia for a while. I don't see anything there. TT makes some great picks...and maybe with that goes missing so badly on some of these types of moves. WRer-(7)Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Jeff Janis, Trevor Davis, DeAngelo Yancey, Malachi Dupre Suspension-Allison PS-Clark, then hopefully whoever is displaced will end up back with the team on the PS. This has been discussed. This is where I could see the biggest surprise coming from(or a trade) and I think they go with 7 once again here. Unless they can trade a guy like Davis for a OL, I think they keep 7, especially with Nelson's age, Adam's looming free agency and the questions about Cobb's production, contract and health. DL-(5)Daniels, Clark, Lowry, Francois, Ringo IR-Adams(agree with you here...not a good start for a guy who was a questionable pick to begin with. You can bring back 2 guys from IR now so maybe he comes back if someone goes down, but I wouldn't waste a roster spot on a guy who at beast won't make an impact for 6 weeks with the depth we've got here. PS-Price This is the best group I think we've had in a while. I'm a bit worried about our OLB'ers, but I think we'll end up going with 3 DL more this year just because they're really good pass rushers and good vs the run. Clark has transformed his body, Lowry looks like a poor mans Watt(ok, very poor, but that's still good). And Daniels is Daniels. I also like Ringo as opposed to Price, but Price looks like he could provide good depth either now if they choose to go with him or in the future where he could take Francois' place. OLB(6) 53-man: Perry, Matthews, Fackerell, Elliot, Brooks, Gilbert - PUP: Biegel PS-Calvin Calvin looks like he could develop. This group makes me feel a lot better with the addition of Brooks, otherwise it's really a MASSIVE question mark. Can Matthews and Perry stay healthy? If those two could be healthy for 28 games between the two of them, I think you could get 25 sacks out of them. But that's hoping for a lot. Demovsky has Gilbert getting waived right now and I think he might be the toughest decision the Packers have to make. He looked like someone who could contribute this pre-season. And he's solid vs the run. Elliot looks like the most likely to be cut. He's kinda like the Janis of the OLB'ers. A key special teamer who has flashed at times playing from scrimmage, but has been inconsistent. A breakout season from him would go a long way to solidifying this group. ILB(3): Save an ILB and add a S instead. The new defense... - 53-man: Ryan*, Martinez*, Thomas S(5): - 53-man: HHCD*, Burnett*, Jones, Evans, Brice CB(6): - 53-man: Randall*, House*, Rollins, King, Gunter, Hawkins, - PS: Brown, Pipkins ST (3): - 53-man: Crosby, Vogel, Goode I just cut and pasted the last 4 positions. I think those look pretty obvious. Gunter was reportedly fighting for a spot on the team but it doesn't make any sense to let him go at this point. There's nobody else who's shown enough. Hawkins looks like he could be a guy who could come in later in the year and contribute. Just as long as he doesn't have the mental mistakes he had last year early vs Detroit. Jones is basically a ILB'er with safety skills. He played into the 4th quarter the last game and was making plays taking on guards at the LOS one play and then lining up in CF on the next. Brice and Evans have both looked too good to not keep around. I may arrange the guys differently...I think Rollins is a starter in the slot and I think they go with King and House outside, but that's pretty minor. If the DB's can just hold up in coverage and we can stay health at OLB'er, this COULD be a really good D with the defensive line and the ridiculous depth at safety.

It's possible the fact that there is only one round of cuts makes it easier to get both Clark and McCaffery onto the practice squad. Clark really doesn't look that close to playing, but he does look like he could be an incredible and unique player down the road. I just hope he doesn't have a Janis like learning curve. Janis' ability on special teams has at least given him time to develop at WR'er and it's pretty obvious his route running has improved. The question is if his hands are good enough to ever be a reliable receiver. The biggest blemish on his pre-season IMO was that drop on what would have been a TD in the 1st or 2nd pre-season game. Can't recall which it was. But again, given where he's come from, a D2 school, he's come a long way and he has a knack for the big play. I think they go with a 7th WR'er here and put Adams(DT) on IR and Biegel on the PUP to create two more roster spots and at least for now those will probably be Dupre and Yancey, but if McCaffery has really been as good as the coaches are saying he's been this off-season...maybe he bumps one of them out to start. Allison by the way looks really good. His blocking is great, but that was a really impressive play he made early on in the final exhibition game to not only win the fight for the ball, but to then get into the endzone. Big physical WR'er.

Oh...so we can only have an opinion if we're in the locker room? Then I guess this thread should be locked right now.

If he was first-team All Pro he would have a plus by that year: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SittJo20.htm Show me links to the press releases naming him All-Pro and I'll believe you. http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2016/01/08/josh-sitton-named-second-team-all-pro/78511596/ He was named 2nd team All Pro 3 times at that point(now 4 times). Not to mention you dismissed pro-bowls as popularity contests. Well...coaches and players are 2/3rds of that vote. All Pro teams are all media. So why is one about popularity but not the other? Unless you're talking about the Pro-Football Focus AP teams which are based on performance, a team he also made the year before he was cut. The problem I would have with pro-bowl selections would be the number of players who opt out and are then selected after as replacements. That's when it begins to become a bit of sham. But this isn't really the point. The point was you suggested it was ridiculous they would cut a player of his caliber for an un-drafted free agent when in fact they released a more celebrated, more durable and more consistent player just last year for an un-drafted free agent. I'd like to see them give Cobb one more year, but I'd also like to see them try and re-work his deal to reflect his recent production.

The OL didn't give them a shot. Not ONLY because they were bad but because the zone scheme just isn't one you can run with guys constantly rotating in and out. If we ran a different scheme, just blocked straight ahead, doubled at the point with a kickout block it'd be easier for these backs. And I think we went to that a bit more this past game just to see what we had. But don't you have to be a little worried not having one proven NFL back? I think we're gonna find ourselves using Rip on 3rd downs more than we'd like to provide Rodgers with better pass pro. ESPECIALLY if a tackle goes down. And if one goes down, lets at least hope it's on the right side because we cannot afford to lose Bahk. He's really irreplaceable at this point. I'll admit to being way off on him. I thought he was always going to be a finesse type LT who was solid vs the pass, but the type of guy you should be trying to upgrade. And then each year he just got better and better and now he's right there with the top 4 LT's in the game. But all 3 of the drafee's have talent. They have different styles which may serve us well..but I'd prefer to have a pecking order. To have a guy who jumped out. Maybe having 4 backs will mean we've always got fresh legs, but I think it's possible it'll mean we don't ever get anyone going. Either way, I don't think we're gonna really know if it's Williams, Jones, Mays or in the off chance they go with Phillips as the best of the bunch(excluding Montgomery) until 4-5 games into the year. And it might look ugly right out of the gate with that Seattle D that just picked up an elite defensive linemen.

There's that old cliche...if you have 2 QB's, you don't really had any. Though it's not the same with RB's anymore, but if you took the numbers off the 4 rookies(I'm including Phillips as he's looked good at times as well) you'd have a real tough time telling them apart. . They all had some nice runs, but they also missed holes a LOT of times. I agree that with what the OL was giving them, it's tough to really know what you have...it's hard enough to evaluate pass blocking with offensive linemen, it's virtually impossible to know who screwed up(unless a guy just gets blown back into the RB's lap) with the zone blocking scheme which is absolutely dependent upon cohesion on the OL. Even if you have good OL...if they're not playing together, you won't be able to run the ball. You saw it in the Badgers game tonight. They weren't working well...their guards weren't passing their guys off and getting to the next level, they weren't sealing off the backside. So I'm not saying the Running Game can't or won't be good. I just haven't seen enough out of it and to rely on a WR'er turned RB(Who might have put on some weight, but is still a big question mark) and 3 rookies...it's at least a concern. I would say Jones has been the most impressive followed by Mays and Williams in that order(I also think Phillips looked decent but he's probably not gonna make the team or practice squad). All of them offer something unique, but Jones was the most aggressive. Mays is the most powerful and Williams is the guy I've heard the most about the Packers being high on...so we'll see how that plays out.

I am 100 pct with you on all accounts. I do enjoy watching Pujos spend the twilight of his career on a middling team that's not really going anywhere. Especially after Cards fans were so convinced he'd take this massive paycut to stay with them. But when the games best player never plays on the games biggest stage, it takes a bit of the shine off of him. And I also had no idea Upton was putting up a ~6 WAR type season.

This system is the most fun to follow that I've ever followed. Aside from the big name guys, checking out Taylor Williams(Who may be a big name on here, but isn't to most), our young catchers like Henry and hopefully Harrison, through AAA and guys like Jungman who I still think can contribute to the big league team. There's just so many guys who while they may never make it, at least have the tools to make it and to be successful. In a way it's almost more fun to follow these guys while their in the minors and there's still the unknown upside to them as opposed to when they get up and you find out they're not all Mike Trout....

That second surgery after the TJ surgery seems to be where you start talking about a guy not coming back. That 10 pct of guys who don't make it back. But that's just total speculation. I was hoping to hear he was on a limited and supervised throwing routine down in Arizona in the hopes that, like you said, he could come back next year. But the silence on him is a bit disconcerting(though not rare). We have Taylor Williams to look at as a guy who missed two years and is now back pitching with is velocity back to what it was and putting up exceptional numbers.

Gotta be feeling a little bit better after tonights game. Pankey looked legit. He got some run at tackle, but played earlier at Guard and looked like he could be a contributor there down the road. Between he and Gray you could have your future guards(Gray's further away for sure though). I don't know what they're seeing in their 6th rounder(I think he was a 6th) Amichia. Maybe something I don't see...he just doesn't look good. McCray at times looked alright(it's tough with the TV view to really see) in run blocking. #60 Thomas Evans is just....awful. No way he would have survived the 1st round of cuts. He plays hard and goes until the whistle..unfortunately it's usually him running back toward the QB or RB to try and hit guys after he completely wiffed on them. Murphy had one bad play that I saw...the one was on the Hundley TD run he got beat on an inside rush quick but Hundley did an awesome job, dipped outside. But he was moving the pile in the run game. Spriggs he a false start but other than that...I didn't really see him doing anything good or bad. Just didn't notice him. It looked like he was covered up most of the game with a TE on that side. Others may have seen more out of him. The Tackles looked better at least. I wonder what they're thinking with Pankey. He's definitely an athlete and physically ideal for the position(and he can play tackle). That he started getting reps inside is probably telling. Both of the guard and what the team thinks about him. The run game got going a little bit tonight and I thought we saw a little bit out of all 4 backs(including Phillips who's a real long shot to make the team). It looks to me like we're gonna struggle to run the ball. I suspect we'll have a couple big games sprinkled throughout the year by a couple different guys but I wouldn't be surprised to see our leading rusher with 500 yards. That Jones from UTEP is definitely intriguing. He seems to have another gear and a little bit of thump to him. This would be a good year for them to have expanded the rosters for the Packers. A 60 man roster and a 10 man practice squad would allow us to develop some young talent.

Wrong. Sitton is a several time all pro player. He was an AP All Pro at least 3 times in Green Bay and PFF named him an all pro last year. He went 37 games without giving up a sack, the longest streak since PFF started recording such a stat by far. But even if you use the Pro Bowl, the coaches(1/3rd of the vote) and the players (1/3rd of the vote) voted Sitton in because of his popularity? Really? We can't even concede that he was an elite player? And this popularity thing doesn't hold water unless you're going to dismiss All Pro's as well(which again, he did make, but even if he hadn't). How exactly are players put on that team? By media voting. Why would that be more legit? But, doesn't matter, he's been a multiple time all pro and a multiple time pro-bowler. He's also been a guy who gives up an absurdly low number of pressures, a very low number of sacks(if any in a given year) and who plays through injuries constantly. He's one of the best OL the Packers have had since the Lombardi era up there with Ruttgers, Wahle, Rivera and now Bahktari. But fine, lets throw the ratings out of the window. What does work? Pro Football focus? He was rated as the 4th best LG last year(and 20th best OL overall) and has routinely rated among the elite guards in the game. Find me one rating or metric that doesn't show Josh Sitton being one of the premiere guards in the NFL over the last 6-7 years. Because they seem pretty unanimous. As for Sitton the clubhouse cancer, it's funny how those things always pop up AFTER a guy is cut. And even in the article that first talks about it, it says something like, the Packers were willing to put up with it when he was playing at an elite level...except he's continued to play at an elite level. So then he had been a clubhouse cancer but he'd just reached the point on the chart where his level of play no longer justified keeping him? Seems to me like the Packers had a guy they thought was good enough to replace him and they could save a lot of cap room. So then taking a guy like Randall Cobb who I do really like(both as a player and he just seems like a laid back guy) who had one big year(which you roll into his 3 year totals), then signed a deal that pays him like a top ~15 WR'er in the NFL, then had had two seasons in which he dealt with injuries and hasn't come close to putting up the numbers he put up when he signed his contract, ADD in the fact that he's playing a position that's deeper than any other on the roster with 10 guys who could make an NFL team at some point.....and not sure how you can't see how Cobb getting cut is plausible. Randall Cobb 2014 career year-91 catches 1287 yards 14.1 YPC 12 TD's Randall Cobb last two years-139 catches 1439 Yards 10.4 YPC 10 TD's So using what he's done the last 3 years is kinda disingenuous...but if you want to compare, Josh Sitton's performance at guard was far better than Cobb's performance has been at WR'er the last two years(and for Sitton the '15 and '16 seasons). Bottom line, Cobb has NOT lived up to his contract(13th biggest among WR'ers) and the Packers have not only a lot of depth at that position, but a whole lot of other players who are gonna need to get paid in the near future, including Haha, Burnett, Rodgers(who should get at least a 5 year 150 type extension...particularly in lieu of Stafford's extension), Adams among them. So I don't know if Cobb gets cut or not, but it's certainly not out of the question and it shouldn't come as nearly as big of a surprise if he does as when Sitton did.

It's early in the game, but Pankey looks like he might be another keep at guard(didn't see the hold, but he gets out and moves pretty well)....and Murphy's been solid as well.

It's really not. For instance on the Miller play he was supposed to force him inside. The RB was supposed to be helping and the RB completely whiffed. Or like I've pointed out a couple times, in the Eagles game, Barnett definitely just beat him badly for a sack. Went right through him. On another sack, Spriggs did exactly what he was supposed to do and rode him right outside the pocket. That's an accidental sack by the DE. He got taken out of the play but for Hundley dropping an extra 2-3 yards too deep. So I am agreeing with you, Spriggs hasn't looked good...but he also hasn't been as bad as his sack totals look. And Murphy hasn't been put in the same situations. He's looked solid, but he hasn't been matched up against a 1st round pick by himself on the blindside like Spriggs.

Yeah, I know what's well documented, what I'm saying is that I don't believe it. They don't sign many free agents to begin with and like I said, it comes down to talent. And you'd think Joe Mixon would be one of those people taken off their draft board, yet incredibly, arguably the most talented RB in the draft who was taken off several teams draft boards was not taken off the Packers and the Packers were interested if he fell to the bottom of the second round. It was also interesting to me how Letroy Guion, even after off-season arrests wasn't released until we saw that Dean Lowry looked good and we stuck with him after how many arrests? The "Packer people" thing is nice in a small town like GB, and then when they go completely against it, it's "well, they saw something in his character," but I just think they do what every other team does. They evaluate risk, ie, Colt-UDFA, low risk. High Reward. Joe Mixon-HUGE talent, great value...but how in the world are they any definition of this story we sell as "Packer people?" There are teams like the Raiders of old(and new to a degree), the Cowboys, the Bengals who give everyone a chance and then there is everyone else who is risk adverse and that's all I think it is.

With 7 games left against the Cubs, it looks like the it may be division that offers the best shot at a post-season appearance for the Brewers.

I'm sure this has been discussed on here, but does anyone have any update on how he's progressing? Is he throwing in Arizona...he has had any setbacks? He was obviously an intriguing prospect, but I haven't seen anything about him after his latest surgery that was supposed to sideline him for 8-12 weeks back in May.

I can't fathom him doing what he did last year again this year, but I like this approach. He imploded so fast that I just don't see how you can go with him as your #4 when there are SOOO many other guys who are better options right now. How about you give your best starter from last year another shot. Guerra looks REALLY good his first start back and then when he only threw 3 IP despite not giving up any ER's, I understood taking him out of the game and then sending him down, but he's been alright down in AAA, bring him back up and see if you can get him going again. Jungman looked really good a couple years ago and has survived AAA. Garza looks like a lock for 5IP and 3-4 ER's every time out right now. He'll still probably get a 5 million dollar+ contract this next year, but let someone else pay it and worry about it. Or pick it up and give him away for any lotter ticket you can get from anyone. Maybe we get another Freddy Peralta. But I'm done looking out at the matchup's and seeing him listed as our projected SP'er. He should have started for the last time if we really want to try and make up the 3-4 game gap we face between AZ, COL and CH the last 30+ games of the year.

forgive my ignorance, is his 2 biggest black marks on him 2 bad hits while with the niners? i had to google today what character flaws people were freaking out over. Actually, it is sexual battery. I believe I heard there's an outside chance he could still face league discipline as well. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2015/08/26/ahmad-brooks-ray-mcdonald-charge-indictment/32444959/ Hmm...the December 2014 incident that the NFL reviewed almost exactly 2 years ago? I would say that it's pretty unlikely that he's gonna face any discipline. From everything the 49'ers have said, they respected him, they liked him, but they're just not a 3-4 team any longer and there was no reason to keep him play when he wasn't a fit in their new defense. Also, the whole "Packer people," thing is nonsense I think. We just don't sign many people and that's often used as an excuse as to why we don't. When there's little risk the "Packers people," thing seems to mean a whole lot less(see Lyerla, Colt). The better you are, the worse person you can be(and I'm not in anyway saying he's a bad person, I don't know enough to say that). But just from a roster standpoint, he gives us a very good 3rd option at OLB'er and hopefully Elliot will start showing SOME level of consistency as he's long shown flashes of brilliance but those have evaporated just as quickly. Fackrell...well, not a fan. He's an effort player and maybe I'll be wrong as he gets stronger, but you need to go 4-5 deep at OLB'er and I just don't see him providing much of an impact. Gilbert could be the surprise guy who makes the roster and ends up moving up the depth chart. One thing that surprises me is that they let Pepp walk. I know he was 37 and I don't know if he wanted to go back to Carolina because he wanted to finish his career there or if he was frustrated by his lack of snaps early in the year last year(he commented on multiple occasions how he needs more snaps to get into a rhythm and to set the OL up)..and he was still making plays in a limited role last year and I believe he was only making 3 million. But Brooks can play the run, can offer something of a pass rush and I think with the Packers OL and how Lowry has looked this year and even moreso how Clark has looked(he looks like a beast who totally transformed his body from year 1 to 2..which isn't that shocking for a guy who was 20 years old last year) to go with Daniels, the DL is gonna give us more of a pass rush than a normal 3-4. If by some miracle Matthews and Perry can stay on the field and start 26 games this year, I think we'll have a good pass rush. If we lose one for a long time, now we're not so desperate for a solution. Either way, I bet the best guesses on here will still only get 43 or so picks right. There are just so many guys you have no idea about. Does Herb Walters make this team? Devonte Mays, how many WR'ers, which OL. Maybe Pankey pushes out a draft pick, do we keep Taysom Hill or a 3rd QB at all(I would guess not) but I thought the same last year. And are there any surprise trades? Wouldn't shock me to hear the Packers are shopping Cobb, but if they don't get a good offer for him, do they keep him and see how this year goes or move on now? Does Gunter make the team? Has Clark shown enough that another team like the Browns will stash him for a year? It's impossible to guess what this team is gonna do sometimes.