OnTheBlack

Yup. Stay far away from this guy What he did was horrid. There is no way anyone should condone that. But ... he was 15. Should the kid pay the rest of his life for his idiocy as a 15-year-old? Tough question ... but many would say he already is. The kid has shown huge regret. I don't know that the team's system is in such a state that they couldn't use a 1st round talent who will sign cheap and is looking for redemption. Not sure that he's shown huge regret in that he's saying now that he did not actually do it and that it was his family and lawyers who told him to sign a confession saying he did it because the risk was a lengthy legal process and a potential jail sentence that would not have been pleasant given the circumstances. With regard to how long he should suffer being that he was 15 years old....that's a valid point. And I don't even know how to begin to answer that question.

I think it's a testament to our bullpen that you worded that the way you did. I think Taylor Williams can and will be a back end, high leverage reliever and could succeed in such a role...yet as it is, he's vastly overshadowed by what Jeffress has done this year and then obviously Hader and Knebel. I'm a big Williams fan.

Roegner seems to be showing the promise to be that TOR arm... and he was a 22nd-round pick. Judging by the continuous Suter hate in the in-game threads, it has already been decided that if a pitcher doesn't throw in the mid-90s, he is worthless. These are the most frustrating types of talent. If you try and articulate how a soft tossing lefty who's several years older than average for his league and can't break 90 isn't a "potential TOR arm," you get these absurd type statements suggesting that people "hate" Suter and call him garbage just to exaggerate their point. What Suter is....is a spectator on most real contending teams, OR maybe a loogy. He's done a fine job filling in a multitude of positions, but common sense tells you, he's not the guy you want facing anyone from Houston's rotation(for instance). Not sure why we can't BOTH be happy to see a guy with limited talent succeed and still acknowledge that he has...you know...limited talent!

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but have you or anyone else seen any specific velocity readings on Supak...or know why he's having so much success so far? I remember seeing some video on him last year and was a bit underwhelmed by his offspeed...that and his velocity was more low 90s than mid 90s. I've seen where others have said that he sits in the lower 90's and hits 95 or 96 on occasion. My guess would be a 92 MPH fastball maybe? So take that for what it's worth. A few links I've read saying he sits in the low 90's with a mid 90's fastball and that he could still add a tick or two. Edit-Sorry, missed "AndThat's" post. That is essentially what I've seen with just a bit higher velocity in scouting reports. If he can add 2 MPH(I know, asking a lot, but nice big frame) and he's sitting 93-95....who knows.

See 2 posts above yours. That's awesome news. I didn't see your post when I made mine. That's great news. Hopefully he'll be one of our feel good stories this year and by the end of the season, we're talking about him as a candidate to get called up at some point next year. Gotta imagine a lot of rust on that arm.

I think Stearns has to wait and see what he's getting from Aguilar/Braun and Santana, plus how Nelson looks before he makes a move. I personally have a lot of confidence that we're going to get a lot of production from that 3rd OF spot and 1st base and that Aguilar's approach makes him a really good long term hitter, but if we get Nelson back and he looks good, I think the chances go up that he and Mark A are willing to make a big move at the deadline. I think Cole Hamels still has a bit left in the tank and would be a great fit here if we could get him without having to give up any elite prospects. A lefty who is still above 9 K's per 9, and still has good stuff. His option isn't likely to vest(though I would suspect we would have to pick up next years option in order to get him to waive a no trade IF he has one). And while this is off topic, I noticed when I was looking at Hamel's contract, Alec Asher was one of the pieces the Rangers traded to Philly for Hamel's several years ago.

I knew that....but seeing that in writing just blows my mind still. I really like Harrison, he COULD be a really good player, Diaz COULD end up being a .250/.340 power hitting 2nd basemen. Each could just as easily end up as backup's or not cracking any 25 man rosters for long in their career. And Yamamoto is at back end type guy at best. So while I do really think Brinson will end up being a good player, this has to be one of the best trades the Brewers have made...in years. The type of trade that gets proposed on here and most people shoot it down because young players like Yelich are sooo valuable. And he produces in such a quiet way almost. It just kinda seems odd. He's just out there every day, getting on base a couple times, takes great routes to the ball, so very few highlight types catches. Again, Cain and he are almost ideal top of the order type guys. Just gotta hope Aguilar keeps it up, Shaw does as well and Braun's luck evens out and our lineup could be dangerous.

I feel like both these should be in blue. Love Brinson, just a bad fit here because while I think he's gonna be a really good player, I think it'll take him near 1000 PA's to really become one. Yelich is just the ideal player for this club. Both him and Cain really. I don't really care about K's, but to have two guys atop the order you know are going to produce consistently and hit ~.300, can run and can play GG caliber Defense.....man was that worth 5/80 and giving up these 4. I think Hiura is a much more sure thing though. At least offensively. If they ultimately have to have the elbow fixed, fine, but I think he is going to be a .300/.375/.450 type guy who is good for ~20 HR's a year.

Of course. If memory serves, I thought he was kinda a power pitcher, or at least viewed as one going into his Jr. season at UV. I thought he threw in the mid 90's...at least touched the mid 90's with advanced command and secondary pitches. After missing as much times as he has though....I would guess it's gonna take a full year before he feels comfortable really letting loose and not thinking about it anymore. But if his stuff comes back, that's a potential TOR lefty down the road. Long shot of course, but I love following pitchers with that upside...

Could someone who's seen him pitch this year give some insight into how he looks? I've seen his line...and just having him back pitching is encouraging. But I'm curious about where his velocity is, what his stuff looks like. You expect a guy to struggle a bit with command, so his uninspiring peripherals are not that interesting to me at this point, but does he look anything like the guy who was a potential top 5 pick several years ago? I know they're being very careful with him. Any info is appreciated....or a link where this was previously discussed.

I thought Braddock had a diagnosed mental issue that he and or the Brewers were fairly open about. Perhaps I'm mis-informed, but I thought he was bi-polar? Which frankly gets tossed around so much by people now that I no longer know what it really means(I'm only half serious). But we all seem to forget that these guys have real lives beyond the club their pitching for and things they have to deal with. Bickford is still young. I really hope he can get it together. It was sad seeing Salome, Braddock and Delmonico(sp?) not reach their potential. The first two I was certain would be impact players. Salome had the tools of a poor mans Ivan Rodriquez and Braddock was a power lefty who racked up the K's.

Fastball command is the single most critical skill a pitcher needs to have success. If you don't have it, it doesn't matter how hard you throw it. And if you have it, you're a lefty who throws 87-91 and has two other good pitches and gets a lot of ground balls, you can have a successful career. Just today I was YET AGAIN baffled as a lefty with average(at best) stuff got through a solid lineup with 88 MPH fastballs, but he locates them really well. Supak's stuff is far more exciting because of the obviously ceiling on pitchers who can't get those K's, but Roegner sounds like the type of guy who gets called up at 27 and just plugs along as a swing man, loogy or even back of the rotation starter. Absolutely loving the Brewers young arms right now. I was thinking we'd have a nice looking pen down the road when the young power arms sorted themselves out. The guys who didn't have that third pitch or failed as starters. But we already have that dominant pen with some really smart moves and we have guys to spare(in years past, Houser and Barnes could have been our 8th/closer combo). Just....really hoping Nelson comes back and finds it quickly this year and Burnes can be that X-factor that nobody is counting on, but gets called up and jumps out to a fast start.

I've seen this a few times. Can someone explain how a guy who's playing and hitting is having a "wasted" year? He's gotten a lot of AB's vs professional pitchers and performed extremely well. That's hardly a "waste." Edit-I'd also like to add, people suggest surgery for other people like it's nothing. As someone who's on his 16th surgery and has medal or cadaver parts in every joint on my right side(sans most fingers) and a couple on the other side, there's a major risk from surgery. People DO die. They get infections and suddenly it's possible he's got permanent damage in that arm. Sure, these things are rare, but aside from all the 1 in 1000 type scenario's, it just sucks...I know that's not very articulate, but it's just a miserable experience, but it's as if people think surgery should be the go-to option rather than exhausting every other option, I don't think they're thinking of the player 1st

Well the hitting has never been a concern. I can't believe his elbow is that big of a deal for as well as he's hitting. Being that it's his top hand, if he was in major pain or had significant damage I would think that would zap all the power out of his swing. If his elbow is as bad as some in this thread have suggested...and he's doing what he's doing, I expect a Chase Utley type 2nd basemen. People also seem to be conflating a position player having TJ with a pitcher. There was also talk of him missing a year because they're waiting. That doesn't make much sense. People are strongly advocating while very mildly qualifying their desire to see TJ based on a sore elbow. It was spring. You'd expect a guy like him to have to work through some soreness. If it was a pitcher, I'd prefer to see him shut down immediately and see Dr. Andrews. A 2nd basemen? There's no reason to not try to let it heal up and let him progress. Either way, this guy has the potential to be a middle of the order bat as a 2nd basemen. If he has to miss 8-9 months....I don't see it being a big deal vs trying to get his elbow stronger.

This is a good example of the over the top hate for Braun. And I'd have been thrilled if they'd have traded him to the Dodgers because it would have been good for the Brewers. Simple as that.

Yeah, most lists are going to have a new number 1 "best players not in the HOF" the next time they drop those articles. Kramer was just baffling. He was on the first 50 years team, he was the lead guard in one of the most famous plays in football history and the one that led to a decade of dominance, he also had his huge moment...especially for a linemen. Blocking for Star and creating that crease in the ice bowl, again, arguably the most famous play of all time? Then the fact that Lombardi and others called him the greatest player he ever coached(though he did that with several, the rest are all in the HOF). So cool he got in and got to actually experience it. As for Butler, I'd be shocked if he ever makes it. The NFL HOF is just SOOOO tough to get into. And given others who have been left out, I think Butler falls into that very(VERY) good group, but not quite the all time greats. I also don't think Lynch should be a HOF'er either though.

Well, I was in favor of giving him 80 million over 3 year just so long as it wasn't more than 3 years, so I wish we could have made this happen. I think this would have been a difference making move for us. But I was never really all that interested in the starting pitchers on this market. I really wanted Chatwood early and I like the guys they did pick up at the prices they did.

I love Jordy, but Jordy right now is the perfect example of what's wrong with out offense(and how Hundley had almost no chance). Basically Rodgers had to throw him open. That's why Adams had such better numbers with Hundley. He can beat guys off the ball. A torn ACL and 10 years or so in the league and Jordy just can't get that quick separation as much any more. What I really think they need is another guy like Greg Jennings. His loudmouth sister and he kinda made his departure sour, but he was soooo smooth off the line, the first couple steps of a route beating guys. His last year here I remember is when we kinda started having problems in our passing game where Rodgers had to throw everyone open after Jennings went down with a groin injury. Came back late in the year and you could see all the difference. Only problem..I don't want to spend a 1st on Ridley and don't see anyone else who resembles him that'd be a good choice at 14. Unless Davenport, Edwards...all the guys the Packers want are gone before they pick. Derwin James to. Not a need, I just think he's gonna be such a beast in anyone's defense..a lesser version of Earl Thomas with Kam's size. Anyway, love Jordy, wouldn't preferred to see him stay here at ~5 a year, but love the idea of adding Graham. LOOOOTS of work yet to do in order to turn this into a contending team though...and lots of time.

Ticket prices and hot dog prices have absolutely nothing to do with players salaries.....at least in that if you raise payroll, that doesn't directly lead to a raise in ticket prices. If you raise payroll and you sign a guy like Darvish and you win 95 games, THAT would lead to a raise ticket prices, but only because it's what the market would bear. They can't set ticket prices at a price point that nobody is going to pay. Do you think if the players never earned the rights to become free agents and the league was still making the same amount of money, but payrolls topped out around 30 million dollars that the owners would keep ticket prices and beer prices artificially low? Of course not. They charge what people are willing to pay to maximize revenue. Same reason why Jordan's cost hundreds of dollars but only cost 10 bucks to be made. Why isn't Nike selling them for 15 bucks? Because people are willing to pay 300 for them. It's the same reason that it's just asinine to "demonize" players as you put it for getting paid as much as they can, EVEN if they go on to struggle as was the case with Matt Garza. We weren't the only team offering Garza, a proven winner(at the time) a large contract. He had earned that. And then his body just simply didn't allow him to live up to it. But you start demonizing people for not saying, "no...really, don't give me 50 million, just give me 25, I can't promise you I'll be healthy," and you're being totally unrealistic. Garza was an intense competitor. I also realize there was a blip on his tenure here during the end of the '16 season, but nonetheless, he was an intense competitor who seemingly worked hard and just didn't have it anymore. But I hardly blame him for accepting the money. And if we sign Darvish(and don't win a WS in the next 2-3 years) I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of complaining about him in years 4-5...and even 6. But I don't know why sports is the only industry we're upset with the workers trying to maximize their value and blame THEM or in your words "demonize" them rather than the BILLIONAIRE owners who are making more than any player in the game...either year to year or in increasing equity. Lets turn it around. Has Mark A "earned"...what, 750 million dollars as owner of the Brewers? Forbes valued the team at 50 million dollars more from 16 to 17. Did he earn that? Should we demonize him for that? I don't begrudge anyone from maximizing their earning potential. I ROOT as a fan of the team for the team to make good decisions, but when the TEAM signs a guy like Garza, I don't blame him if it doesn't work out. Seems short sighted and frankly hypocritical to me as I KNOW I'd have taken that deal in a heartbeat.

No and NO on trading Harrison, Erceg or Peralta. To me those guys are conerstones of the future, unless we are getting a bonified ACE with years of control, I wouldn't even consider moving any of the guys mentioned above. It would have to be an offer that was so lopsidedly in our favor to consider it... Freddy Peralta is a hard no - his floor is as a right-handed Hader. Harrison's a soft no, but the yes requires a TOR starter with at least three years of control, and a professional hitter type of prospect. For Erceg, the cost is a TOR starter with at least three years of control. I hope you're right, but I just do not share your opinion on these guys. Peralta's floor is a guy who never makes it to the big leagues and struggles in AAA. I could list the Zach Braddock and Angel Salome types from recent years who were every big as talented and highly regarded as any of these 3. I like them all, but I just think 3 years of control for a TOR pitcher AND a Daniel Murphy of 3-4 years ago type player for an athletic corner OF'er? I really hope you're right because that would suggest you believe he's got Springer type upside and I think that's the one thing the Brewers are really lacking right now. A star core or at least a couple potential superstars on their way. Not sure how we become a WS contender without our Bryant/Rizzo/-whoever, or Corria, Altuve, Springer trio.

Seriously? I've been posting on forums with you for 15 years now....it feels like you're actively trying to become more and more outright sarcastic and condescending. I've asked this before. Do you REALLY find it so daunting to word your response in a way that's not so pretentious? Like maybe....Odorizzi is a extreme FB pitcher, probably not a great fit at Miller Park.

I love the idea of bringing Profar in. The guy is too talented to be such a bad player. And given the level of expectation(he was ranked among the Trout, Harper, Moore group, ranked #1 at one point) and the constant poor performances. 2012 he was expected to jump in and be a key cog for the Rangers. 2017, he's missed multiple years and has not performed well. And yet he's still just 24 years old. Obviously the price is the issue here. If they leave him unprotected or are willing to give him away, he'd really be a guy I'd like to bring in.

Isn't that exactly what it is? But...if the Badgers win out, they'll have a marquee win, and a very nice win vs Michigan.

Badgers are not going undefeated and let on the outside looking in. There's just virtually zero chance that happens. Winning out would mean beating Michigan to improve our unimpressive regular season schedule(plus a few more solid teams along the way) and then beating a team that's almost certainly going to be in the top 4 in the B1G Champinship. I'd like to hear a scenario in which they leave out an undefeated B1G team that is undefeated? I not only get but I agree with their ranking right now. I think they're probably the 10th best team. But coming down the stretch, all it takes is getting healthy, really-really shoring up the OL and Hornibrook just making 3-4 more plays a game than he has been. I don't think people really realize how young they are. I heard it all last week how young Illinois was...but the Badgers are young and they are bringing back almost everyone after this year. Their whole OL, LB'ers, almost all their impact offensive weapons, their top CB...etc..etc.. Not the point though, they'll get their shot. And they seem to be a team that plays to it's level of competition.

Millennial, 1977-1994 That seems a bit on the old end for me. I was thinking like 1985-2000. So there are 43 year old millennials?