adambr2

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-betting-odds-say-packers-are-now-worst-team-in-nfc-north-by-a-healthy-margin-160950653.html I think we'll surprise some people. I think 9-8 and a playoff berth is a reasonable possibility. Maybe even compete for the division. My biggest frustration is why we have continued to stand by arguably the worst defensive coordinator in football with a talented defense.

He's definitely got some legitimate takes. My feeling on where the trade compensation ends up is that we get the Jets 2nd this year. I think there will be another pick involved, and there will be conditionally a chance at a '24 1st, but it will be conditional. Only question is what the condition(s) will be. I'd be very disappointed to lose out on any '23 compensation that could help out this year. I'd love to get Elijah Moore back as I'm sure others would but I'm doubting that happens. Maybe Corey Davis.

I literally disclaimed it with "in my opinion" to clarify that it was just my opinion and nothing more than that, "in no way" indicating that I feel strongly about said comment. As with anyone's opinion, I could be wrong about it and hope to be wrong, but I don't think I will be. Please don't try to police me or my behavior when there was no call for your mimicking my question to another poster in the first place just because I disagreed with your opinion, I didn't state that something had been literally reported. My question of whether you didn't know what IMO meant was a literal question and wasn't intended to be rude or snarky. I understand that not everyone knows what all abbreviations or acronyms stand for and so I was trying to clarify if that was the case because I had assumed if you knew that I was merely stating a personal opinion you wouldn't have retorted by asking for sources on a mere opinion. To clarify where I am coming from: I didn't ask you for sources on why us getting the #13 pick is the most likely scenario because I understand that's just your opinion. As it is my opinion that it isn't. When someone says, "It's been widely reported that X won't sign Y because of Z", to me that's different. That's an implication that the information is backed up and reliable and not just a person's opinion. I certainly feel it's ok to ask what the reports are when it's something like that. Otherwise that's how misinformation happens.

I...didn't say I had any information nor did I lay claim that anything was reported. Do you not know what IMO stands for in "IMO, of course."? Or did you completely skim over that part of my post?

Fair counterpoint. As someone who was ready to start the Jordan Love era a year ago and take a much stronger return on Rodgers then, I find the whole situation a bit frustrating, but I can at least understand why they wanted to try kicking the can to win one one last time with Rodgers. But the plan to try to do that with the WR they had was questionable at best. The only thing I can think of is that they fully expected Adams to return when Rodgers announced his return, they were totally blindsided when he still insisted on going to the Raiders, and they had no real contingency plan for that.

In no way is #13 this season getting sent our way the most likely or even a remotely likely scenario. IMO, of course. Again, unless it comes with us swapping #15.

Make no mistake, the really bad extension that Gute signed Rodgers to last offseason is directly affecting both the compensation for Rodgers and the pace of a deal coming together.

Widely reported by whom? Do you have any good sources for that or are you just making an assumption and running with it or basing it off the personal opinion of one talking head? I find it illogical that if the Ravens have up to this point refused to pay Lamar Jackson a contract like Deshaun Watson, that now if somebody does, suddenly that is going to make the Ravens willing to. Yes, I agree Rodgers to Jets will almost certainly get done at some point, though I doubt a 1st will be involved.

His track record of having Drew Brees as his starting QB for 15 seasons? Sean Payton is vastly overrated. The Mike McCarthy comparisons are totally valid. He won't make any noticeable difference with Wilson, and the Broncos will still suck. I said what I said even though many will disagree I'm sure. It's possible Wilson will have some modest improvement from 2022 solely on the basis that he couldn't be much worse. Or he might end up benched. Neither would surprise me.

You think Sean Payton is going to wave a magic wand and make Wilson good again this year? Russ is cooked.

Let's also not insult Nathaniel Hackett by suggesting that he can't run a successful NFL offense with anyone but Aaron Rodgers at QB.

Lamar is definitely the one guy who is out there who could really throw a wrench into our plans quickly if the Jets were to seriously pursue him. There isn't much else out there, but it's not impossible they could get production from a bridge guy. Look what happened with Geno Smith. They could trade up from #13 to draft a guy and sign Bridgewater as a bridge QB.

No one is saying to just trade him for a 3rd to be done with it, but we can only trade Rodgers for whatever the market says he's worth, not whatever we think he's worth. His age, his contract, and most of all, the fact that we don't have anyone except the Jets bidding for his services, are all working against his market.

He doesn't get to play if he retires. If we won't trade him or start him and he still wants to play, his best bet is to show up for a little bit, and wait us out until we cave and trade or release him.

My only issue really is with the concept that Rodgers announcing he's going to the Jets just gave us all the leverage in the world, and we should hold out until we get whatever we want, etc etc. I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of the situation at all. Ultimately, I don't think we can really say whether we should be holding out or just doing a deal now without really knowing what the offers are on the table. If the Jets are offering #43 this year and, for example, their 3rd next year that can become a 2nd if they make the playoffs and a 1st if they make the Super Bowl, I'd say just do the damn deal and be done with it. If we're willing to settle for something like that and the Jets are only offering some Favre like 3rd round pick return, then yeah, I'd wait.

And here's the (entirely fair, IMO) counterpoint to that: Why should Aaron Rodgers, or why would Aaron Rodgers, retire and willingly walk away from the 60 million dollar contract that Brian Gutekunst willingly signed him to, just because the Packers won't trade him and won't start him?

Why is there no scenario? I think on some level, he'd get a kick out of showing up to camp and making things incredibly awkward for Gute. What does he have to lose if he can't play anywhere else anyway? What's the worst case scenario for him if he does this? Shows up, collects 60 million dollars worth of checks to do nothing and makes his bosses look like complete buffoons in the process? I think that's a higher probability scenario than "take the high road and just gracefully retire."

This seems pretty spot on to me

He's not going to retire and willingly walk away from $60M or whatever it is on our terms just because we couldn't agree to trade compensation.

I think we all know at this point that the Browns went crazy and Deshaun Watson was the exception.

What makes you think Baltimore would match? They weren't willing to pay up before but now with two 1sts coming their way if they don't pay up they're going to pay up?

I don't think he'd retire though, that's the thing. I think he'd much rather make things messy for us than go out on the Packers' terms. And I don't get why Lamar is a pipe dream. Seems like if they are willing to give up two 1sts and a Watson-like contract they can have him, no one else has really bitten.

Insisting on #13 is overplaying your hand. Great if they can get it, but digging your heels in should come with some caution. There is absolutely a possible reality here in which the Packers completely overplay their hand and blow this. The Jets don't have many pivots, but they have some. They could sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet and see what happens. If you're going to have to pay a high price anyway, why not? They could trade up from #13 and land one of the big 4 QBs in the draft. They could ask the 49ers about the availability of Purdy or Lance. If they're not even making an effort to find a reasonable middle ground-- if they're completely inflexible and saying "1st plus or pound sand", they absolutely could be left out in the cold.

I don't agree that it was the only and. correct answer. I think there was a pretty good amount of doubt on what their ability to "run it back" would be when it became known that we wouldn't be able to run it back with Davante Adams.

I also think that it's also possible that Matt Lafleur simply didn't want to let Rodgers go a year ago and that played a big part in the decision. Obviously it's not ultimately his call, but I'm sure his opinion carries a lot of weight. I think he might have even have had his hand forced this time around. MLF is notoriously, to a fault, slow and hesitant to move on from his guys. He does not like change. No reason it would be any different with Aaron. To that end, any coach, particularly one coming off 3 straight 13 win seasons, is going to be more invested in the short-term outlook than the long-term outlook of this franchise. As Mike McCarthy will tell you, an elite QB will buy you a lot of job security.