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It hurts us on kickoffs, too. Without looking it up I'd guess we have the lowest touchback percentage in the league. Which is obviously a terrible fit for our coverage units. A weak legged kicker just doesn't really fit on our team at all.

Crosby's leg is an absolute noodle by today's NFL standards. Modern NFL kickers don't miss short on unblocked 54 yarders.

Watson looks like a great pick. Totally worth two 2nd rounders.

Gute seems to be a master of "I had some ideas and even a plan but then my plans fell through and I had no backup plan at all so I just winged it."

I never said Driver didn't say this. I understand he did. I just think to say "Favre had barely mentioned retirement by the time they drafted Rodgers" is pretty indisputably untrue. "The three-time MVP said after the Packers' playoff loss to Minnesota in January he wanted to reflect before committing to playing a 15th NFL season following a year of personal tumult." You implied that the annual Favre retirement saga is more just a Mandela effect type misconception that shouldn't have had any influence on a decision to draft Rodgers and I just believe that that clearly isn't true.

https://www.packers.com/news/ap-story-brett-favre-to-return-to-packers-in-2005-2458548 It did not take much research to contradict this entire statement. I don't have time to address the rest right now, so I'll just leave it at that other than to say if you're going to accuse someone of revisionist history you certainly ought to ensure first that you're not guilty of it yourself. I do remember Rodgers first couple seasons, by the way. I remember the MNF game against Baltimore. Yes, it was quite ugly.

Well, there's several pretty substantial differences in context between the two situations. 1 - Jordan Love is not the prospect that Aaron Rodgers was. Not close. Rodgers was widely considered the 1A or 1B of the 2005 draft. When Jordan Love fell out of the top 10, there was not discussion of the situation. When he fell out of the top 20, there were not cameras panning to his face wondering how he had fallen so far. Thompson was in a damned if he did, damned if he didn't situation when Rodgers fell into his lap. In no way is that comparable to Gute trading up 4 spots to grab Jordan Love. 2 - Favre routinely held the team hostage with retirement speculation in the offseason, so it was important that the team was prepared to move on after his departure as he was essentially going year to year. There was no such realistic speculation that Aaron Rodgers was going to retire following the 2019 NFL season. 3 - The collective bargaining agreement in place when Aaron Rodgers was drafted was completely different than the one that exists today. You do not see teams draft a QB in the first round with the intent of having them sit on the bench for 3 years and hold a clipboard, it does not happen. Maybe one year, and even then the most marginal of 1st round QB prospects (Kenny Pickett) often start seeing reps in their first season. You don't wait on your franchise quarterback for the majority of his rookie contract, it makes no sense to. Part of the point of having a QB on a rookie deal is the tremendous advantage that the team has to dedicate financial resources to other positions and get the most expensive position at a huge discount. You lose that advantage by paying big bucks for a starter AND having a 1st round QB sit on the bench for years. It's just bad business. On top of that you have to make a enormous 5th year option decision on Jordan Love without having any real idea what he is capable of as a starter. It's a very poor allocation of resources if the actual plan was to have him sit for years like Aaron did. I'm fully confident that if the organization had any real confidence in the abilities of Jordan Love after seeing him for 2 seasons, knowing that Davante Adams out, knowing they were already financially strapped -- they would have been happy to say, "ok, let's take the picks from Denver, let's move on."

You're taking my remarks out of context and I think you know this. It's not nuts to draft a QB in the 1st round for him to hold a clipboard ....at first. It's nuts if you have no real plan for said QB to take over the reigns at some point, and just be a backup instead. The Packers CLEARLY planned for AR to eventually succeed Favre. They don't appear to have any such clear plan now. This was 14+ years ago but I have no recollection of the Packers *trying to talk Favre into coming back* in Rodgers 4th year. I recall them encouraging him to make up his mind quickly, Favre retiring, and then the Packers saying "no, we're good" when he tried to "unretire." And Deguara was not considered to be a "George Kittle" type prospect in the eyes of the vast majority of draft experts. He was a 2 star recruit with a slow 40 time and limited athleticism. He was widely considered to be overdrafted as a 3rd round pick.

I do agree mostly ...the opinions of the draftniks don't really matter. In my opinion though, if you're going to go way, way against the grain (Packers 2020 draft ...Justin Harrell...etc) ...you had better be right. That's the kind of thing that will cost a GM his job, and IMO, the 2020 draft is directly going to cost Gute his job.

This is another example of this team constantly lacking any clear direction in this era. Ok, so we're going to build a ground based offense? Ok...except then we're going to mortgage our future and extend our 39 year old QB for 50M a year? And not move on to our 1st round young QB? And pass on the last chance at significant draft capital for our old QB? Gutekunst's moves, even if some make sense in a vacuum, end up making no sense at all when the bigger picture comes into focus.

I can assure you that there was a ton of bemoaning the AJ Dillon pick when it was made and then it made even less sense when Jones got extended. The words "this is all classic 20/20" should never be used in discussion of the Packers 2020 draft. It was a heavily, heavily panned draft class by experts and fans alike at the time. It was widely considered to be among the worst of any team that year. The only defense of it at the time was "we'll have to wait and see" and now it's been almost 3 seasons and we've waited and seen and it was very, very bad.

I'm sorry, I agree with a great deal of your takes but this is REALLY reaching to me, re: 2020 draft. We didn't need a RB. At all. We had Aaron Jones, we still have Aaron Jones, and we continued to pay Aaron Jones even after we drafting AJ Dillon. If we needed a RB, then every team needs a RB. Spending a 2nd round pick on someone like AJ Dillon only makes sense if he is, no question, your guy inside the 5, your Lynch, your Henry. We had numerous goal to go opportunities yesterday. If AJ Dillon is not your man down there, he is a wasted pick. And Deguara? I mean come on, he is what he is, he's an H back. He isn't and never was going to be a high end receiving talent, and it's insane to spend 3rd round picks on guys like that to fill complementary roles that get filled by journeymen like Marcedes Lewis every season. Whether or not you believe in Love (the Packers clearly don't that much at this point), he makes sense in the 1st ONLY if you're willing to see your plan through. If you're willing to stop trying to keep that window open, to stop kicking the can down the road and move on to your guy and cash in on Rodgers when you had the chance, then it makes sense. To just spend a 1st round pick on a guy to hold a clipboard? That's nuts. It's a waste. It makes no sense. They couldn't pick a plan and stick with it, and as a result they're not contenders, and they're also not set up well for the future. Not a good position to be in.

Remember after the 2020 Packers draft when many of us were like "holy crap that was so bad" and the most homeristic of Packer fans were like, "now hold on, wait, it was actually good" It was so, so bad. Literally the beginning of the end of the Rodgers era.

Hot take: Matt Lafleur is a really, really bad HC who has been hidden the last few years by the greatness of the Rodgers/Adams connection and is basically lost now.

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Remember when people thought the Bears might have the worst offense in NFL history? They look like a well-oiled machine in comparison to ours.

I miss when Alexander was an actual great corner instead of a thug/trash tallker without the game to back it up.

LMAO...not only could they not convert, they couldn't even end up pinning them deep. The incompetence of this offense is remarkable. This is the worst defense in the NFL they're facing. They can't stop the run, and they can't stop the pass. And we STILL can't score.

Just gotta get cute down near the goalline. Lions showing no real signs of stopping the run so we get down to the 5 and don't run once.

So let me see if I understand this right. It took our team 8 games, basically half of the regular season, to feel ready to play a football game. 8. There is a massive coaching/leadership problem on this team if this is true.

I wouldn't have cared if they had dealt Jones but I really doubt they would have gotten back more than a 3rd at best.

I see we took care of our problems with our deadline acquisition of Nothing. Which honestly, is just as well because we aren't one trade away from a fix. This organization, IMO, is a rudderless ship right now. Between using a 1st round pick on the heir apparent to Rodgers at a time when we could have used help for him, to ...extending Rodgers when the heir apparent wasn't apparently the heir apparent, to trading away Rodgers' best receiver and surrounding a QB who relies on precision and years of acclimation in his twilight years with projects and question marks, to guaranteeing an expensive 5th year to a bad safety, to turning over a young, talented defense to a boring, vanilla retread coordinator, the Packers are operating with no rhyme or reason to anything they do. The regular season record from the last few years will buy some time, but I would guess seats will start getting warm in '23 and barring a strong showing next season, some new faces will be arriving in '24.

Hock to the Vikings, Claypool to the Bears.