adambr2

It's a game thread and the game wasn't going well early. Really not surprising that people were frustrated in a game that we were losing 4-0. I'm sure some comments were a little overreactionary, but just scanning through quick it doesn't even seem that bad at all. It's not like people were saying we suck and are a fluke. Really seems in poor taste to not have any involvement in the GT and then just show up 8 hours after the fact just to call out fellow posters for "dumb comments".

I haven't seen anyone in the media suggest that if the Packers wait that their return will be any less but I've seen multiple people talk about the Packers waiting and getting the same or better value due to more teams being involved. If you have sources that have backed up your theory that he'd lose value I'd be interested to see them. How am I supposed to have a "source" for something that is entirely hypothetical? Can you post your sources for the contrary that suggest they can get better by waiting? I'd be happy to read them and be opening to examining my own viewpoints to see if there are flaws in my logic based on their logic and journalistic reputation. This is uncharted territory without much precedent, but again, my logic is based on the following. 1) The trading team, who presumably is playing for a championship, now has one less year with Aaron Rodgers to do so. That matters. That negatively affects his value. 2) There is less certainty, especially as an aging QB, that Aaron Rodgers will be able to maintain an MVP level of play 2 years removed from his 2020 season than there is right now. GMs aren't dumb. They know perfectly well that the guy they trade for at this time next year might not be the same guy that was here in 2020. 3) Markets fluctuate. It is a sellers QB market right now, and we saw that with Stafford. We can't just assume it'll be another sellers market next summer. I also don't buy for a second that the market for Rodgers won't be robust because teams are already set at QB for 2021. There is still a full training camp ahead for every team. Just because the Broncos are the only team we've heard about doesn't mean squat. If Gute makes Aaron Rodgers available, plans will change and teams will call.

Wow, what a great job by Richards!

His trade value goes down because he would be 18 months removed from an MVP season, be 38 years old and of course teams are going to be wary about being out of action that long. They would still get probably more than the Packers got for Favre but the ages would be pretty comparable at that point, there's no way he's worth as much a year from now. Time and value are correlated when you're talking trade value of a QB in his late 30s, that's one less year that a potential trade partner is going to get out of him. His value absolutely is less in a year. It will never be higher for the rest of his career than it is right now.

Maybe don't fire Andy Haines just yet.

Well that's enough of this one for now.

Too bad. They needed to get something back with that opportunity.

So much for a great matchup with Burnes on the mound today. What a terrible start.

LOL @ the homeplate ump trying to help the Pirates out of this.

Yeah would be nice if he got knocked around a bit so the media can focus more on our aces. I am just fine without the media attention for our rotation, and I would bet they are too.

I think my personal preference would be to never let Johnathan Schoop get anywhere near Milwaukee in a Brewer uniform ever again. Preferably not even in another uniform since he seems to somehow figure out how to hit again whenever he plays against us.

Bucks are very fortunate to have a game in this series. They've played about as poorly as a playoff team can.

Okay, let's try winning with a good game next time.

I would just say bad, but strange is another way to put it.

19% from 3 and 41.7% from the line. Why does this team come up so small in these must win games?

He's better than Bledsoe. He's been better than Bledsoe. Not sure what else to say. The Bucks have shot the ball extraordinarily bad in this series. Not sure that falls on Holliday. Game 1, if the Bucks don't shoot 20% from 3 and Giannis makes some FT's, they are in/maybe win that game. Game 2 EVERYONE played awful. I'm not saying that it falls on him and he is indeed better than Bledsoe. I'm saying for the trade assets and dollars they gave up for that upgrade, the net positive isn't remarkable and now they're pretty hamstrung. I think they're probably a better overall team if they keep Brogdon and the picks used to acquire Jrue and go a different direction, whether or not that be keeping Bledsoe. Jrue is a fine player but I think he was made out to be the missing piece for why we haven't been able to win in the playoffs and I don't see it.

The idea that Holiday was going to be a game changing player for us in the playoffs looks to be far more wishful thinking than anything that is going to emerge in reality.

Bucks: "Hold my beer"

We never seem to be playing "okay." Either we're playing so well that we feel like we're going to win every game or we stink so bad that you wonder if we'll ever win again. Is this a Brewers thing, or just a baseball thing?

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/06/nfl-suspends-packers-te-jace-sternberger#ref=home Sternberger suspended for 2 games for substance abuse policy violation. Not a good thing for a guy who has already been behind the 8 ball in his development.

Unfortunately I don't know if it necessarily means that. They have Jace and Robertson and Reyes to cover 3rd, and when Wong is back they can just slide Urias over to 3rd, so they just have to make it til Wong comes back, not necessarily Shaw. I wouldn't mind if a move is made, though.

Both giving Deguara credit for an offense that he did not even actually participate in, and comparing Deguara to Kyle Juszczyk who is basically a one of a kind breed the last decade or so, are enormous reaches right now based on a single training camp IMO. I thought Deguara was a reach for various reasons when the pick was made, and nothing has occurred since then to make me think it was a good value. If I end up being wrong about it, I'll be happy to own it. But there's certainly nothing to retract based on a few snaps in 2 regular season games.

The offense seemed to get by just fine without Deguara last season. I'd maintain it was a reach because in the expected role for Deguara you are basically describing Marcades Lewis and these types are available for cheap deals every year and don't warrant 3rd round picks. If he had George Kittle upside, I'd feel differently.

One minor correction. I know you are trying to say that Deguara was a reach in an effort to support your narrative that Gute sucks, but more than one source now has since indicated that Belichick was in love with him, and there is no way he would have lasted past their 2nd round 3 pick at #101. The Patriots ended up drafting Dalton Keene, who is a very similar, yet lower rated player than Deguara, at that spot. So bash the pick, and bash the need ... fine, whatever. And the Patriots haven't exactly drafted great over the last few years, either. But saying that Deguara was a "5th rounder drafted in the 3rd" is probably a little disingenuous when he very likely would have been taken 7 picks later in the 3rd round. Eh, Deguara was a pretty big reach regardless. I hope we don't base our picks on being worried that another team is in love with the guy and will scoop him up. BB is kind of a lone wolf drafting who has gone against his scouts at times and if he would have taken Deguara instead it just would have been a reach for someone else. Gute doesn't suck and that definitely isn't my narrative, but the 2020 draft class looked pretty bad at the time and doesn't look much better now. Obviously a lot hinges on Jordan Love and if he ends up being a home run than the draft is a plus regardless.

Anderson is fine as a 5. A lot of the stuff he gave up tonight was just obnoxious infield contact that found a hole. We've been spoiled by our big 3. We need to score more runs.